Is plasticlay still available?

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Otis

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Is plasticlay still available?
« on: 19 Jun 2006, 12:01 pm »
I'd like to experiment with plasticlay on some low line Klipsch floorstanders which really could use more dampening.

Unfortunately I've searched my local KMart, Wally Mart, and even a hobby shop & no-one's heard of plasticlay. Is it still around or is there another name for an equivalent?

Otis

avahifi

Is plasticlay still available?
« Reply #1 on: 19 Jun 2006, 12:29 pm »
It also goes by Plasticina or plastic modeling clay (never hardening type).  Any decent art supply store will have it in 5 pound bricks or smaller sizes.  Also known as Permoplast.

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TheChairGuy

Is plasticlay still available?
« Reply #3 on: 19 Jun 2006, 02:50 pm »
http://www.allartsupplies.com/item.php?articleId=120

This is where I buy mine...I've not seen cheaper.  Similarly sized packages at Michael's is 2-3x as much.  It's heavy to ship (1 lb pakacges can add up), tho, depending on where you are (AllArtSupplies is in MA)

rlee8394

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« Reply #4 on: 19 Jun 2006, 04:54 pm »
Otis,
I believe that Frank once recommended to a friend of mine to wrap the horn drivers with electrical tape to tame them down a bit. You may want to give it a try.

BrunoB

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« Reply #5 on: 19 Jun 2006, 06:03 pm »
Quote from: Otis
I'd like to experiment with plasticlay on some low line Klipsch floorstanders which really could use more dampening.

Unfortunately I've searched my local KMart, Wally Mart, and even a hobby shop & no-one's heard of plasticlay. Is it still around or is there another name for an equivalent?

Otis


More info here:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=13419.msg115332#115332&highlight=clay#115332

Warm up the clay in the oven before use. It will stick better.

Bruno

mark funk

Is plasticlay still available?
« Reply #6 on: 19 Jun 2006, 08:54 pm »
I clayed my Dahlquist DQ10s, I would say about 55lbs per speaker also my subwoofer that took about 70lbs. I would say its not a little better but a lot better sounding! Well worth the time and the money!  :smoke:

entropy2002

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Michaels craft stores still carry Plasticlay, but it is a lot more costly than it used to be ($3 or 3.50/pound I think).  However, Target carries a brand of modeling clay that is similar for 99 cents for 12 ounces (3/4 of a pound) which translates to $1.33 / pound.  The brand name is RoseArt and can be found where crayons and colored felt tipped pens are found in a Target store.  Wallmart also carries this same package but they charged more than twice the price.  RoseArt also has another package of ~a dozen or so pencil sized sticks of clay - about 18 oz for around $3.50 but the 12 oz, 4-stick package is much more cost effective.

The package is yellow and red and 1 package has 4 sticks of brightly colored clay (4 colors/package).  I've dampened 2 turntables and 2 or 3 pair of speakers with this and it seems about the same as plasticlay, as long as you don't mind a bunch of bright colors.  I used to use Plasticlay many years ago when it sold for $1/pound and the RoseArt clay seems pretty similar. :D

TheChairGuy

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« Reply #8 on: 29 Jul 2007, 07:55 pm »
Not all clays are equal :nono:.  I once bought (black) clay from some art store...it was Mexican made I remember, but not Plast-i-Clay brand - it stained my hands for days afterwards. It also 'felt' weird in hand - harder to press in spots. Yech  :(

Plast-i-Clay is safe and soft to the touch...I'm sure there are other good ones around (EZ Shape is another I've bought and been happy with - from Ben Franklin hobby store), but I don't know them all.

Best price I've ever noted on the genuine Plast-i-Clay was http://www.allartsupplies.com/item.php?articleId=120

Good outfit, great prices, fast shipping  :thumb:


entropy2002

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Re: Is plasticlay still available?
« Reply #9 on: 29 Jul 2007, 08:39 pm »
I've used Plasticlay and RoseArt clay numerous times - the application and the results are very similar.  Neither clay stained my hands. 
...as long as you don't mind the psychedelic colors inside your speakers, turntable, etc.

It's nice to just drop by the local Target and pick up a few pounds of the stuff rather than ordering, waiting, and paying for shipping.

dB Cooper

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« Reply #10 on: 30 Jul 2007, 01:12 pm »
Haven't bought any in awhile but the local art supply had it last time I did.

Brett Buck

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« Reply #11 on: 31 Jul 2007, 05:28 pm »
Not all clays are equal

    When I last did this (something like 20 years ago) I used a combination of Plastilina and Plast-I-Clay, and it worked just fine, and they were reasonably comparable. In any case, I did have an issue with it falling off the inside of the enclosure in hot (over 100 degree) weather, but neither seemed to be superior in that regard.

    Of course, it does EXACTLY what Frank claims, and had quite remarkable effects on the overall "coloration" of the sound, i.e., the "boxy" sound and many stray resonances completely went away. If speaker manufacturers were really smart, they would use it at the factory. It would be trivial to build a double-walled enclosure with standoffs between the parts, and cast the clay in place. That way it would stay forever. I think it would be far more effective than wooden internal bracing - the panels themselves would be dead, instead of taking "ringy" panels and trying to restrain them.

    I would have to say, with all due respect for Frank's experience, that I had a lot better luck using sticky-backed lead foil on the driver "baskets", than clay. It seemed much more secure, had less total volume, and had essentially the same effect on the resonances. I recently recommended this approach to a manufacturer, as it had GREATLY improved his driver by knocking down a few mid-high frequency resonances (and made it go from a very good to an exceptional speaker for a very good price) but they, as typical, they weren't interested.

    Brett

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Re: Is plasticlay still available?
« Reply #12 on: 31 Jul 2007, 06:33 pm »
Hi Otis,
 Another option to look at is "Quiet Glue". A little patience is need to work with t but it really does a nice job. You can even use it on the crossovers to help fight vibration.

http://www.quietsolution.com/html/quietglue.html?gclid=CJGEy4230o0CFREhggodn0zTmg

 If you hit the Buy It Now Online and scroll down, an even better solution is Quiet Putty
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dilznoofus

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Wayner

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« Reply #15 on: 31 Jul 2007, 09:53 pm »
The wife found "E-Z Modeling Clay" at Jo-Ann Fabrics of all places. It's a non-drying clay and comes in various colors. It was very inexpensive. I use it on all my turntables and it does the trick.

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