Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?

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Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
« Reply #20 on: 13 May 2007, 06:25 pm »
I read a comparison done somewhere (can?t seem to find it) where they compared component-output to HDMI to a HiDef TV and the component won in overall quality. 
I?ve also come across people online that have made the same claims.

HDMI caries more then video but if you don?t need it to then what?s the point in using it? Although I have read that some makers have chosen to only include certain options like upsampling for the HDMI output but that?s a choice made by them not an absolute. 


BTW: NEC/Mitsubishi also developed a hybrid BluRay/HDDVD decoder.



I can only share my experience but on my one big screen 57" Hitachi HDTV, my previous projector Optoma H76, and current projector Mitsubishi HC3000U the HDMI connection absolutely makes using component look broken.  The picture is dramatically better on every HD display that I have owned.  Obviously this is only my experience but I sold my expensive component cables just recently and am glad to have gotten a few bucks back for them.  HDMI on my projector using the PS3 with Bluray movies as a source is just as good as it gets for me.  I am sure a new 1080p projector would be nice but I do not feel like I am missing a thing with my current setup.  Bluray movies have such a 3d feeling and incredible sharpness even on a screen over 100".  The PS3 is a really nice machine also especially when you consider the relatively low cost and flexibility.

Nick

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Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
« Reply #22 on: 14 May 2007, 02:56 am »
So far watching both HD DVD and Blu-ray I prefer HD DVD so far.
HD DVD also has Dolby TrueHD and it sounds very good too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD

hd dvd has some of the Warner titles with DD THD as I mentioned...but Sony, Fox or Disney....all individually have more hi res audio  on their BD titles than all of the hd dvd titles combined.

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Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
« Reply #23 on: 15 May 2007, 04:48 pm »
I read a comparison done somewhere (can’t seem to find it) where they compared component-output to HDMI to a HiDef TV and the component won in overall quality. 
I’ve also come across people online that have made the same claims.

HDMI caries more then video but if you don’t need it to then what’s the point in using it? Although I have read that some makers have chosen to only include certain options like upsampling for the HDMI output but that’s a choice made by them not an absolute. 


BTW: NEC/Mitsubishi also developed a hybrid BluRay/HDDVD decoder.



A 1080P signal is only available via HDMI.  We are forced to need HDMI if you want to see Blu-Ray and HD-DVD at their maximum resolution.

boead

Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
« Reply #24 on: 16 May 2007, 05:29 pm »
I read a comparison done somewhere (can’t seem to find it) where they compared component-output to HDMI to a HiDef TV and the component won in overall quality. 
I’ve also come across people online that have made the same claims.

HDMI caries more then video but if you don’t need it to then what’s the point in using it? Although I have read that some makers have chosen to only include certain options like upsampling for the HDMI output but that’s a choice made by them not an absolute. 


BTW: NEC/Mitsubishi also developed a hybrid BluRay/HDDVD decoder.



A 1080P signal is only available via HDMI.  We are forced to need HDMI if you want to see Blu-Ray and HD-DVD at their maximum resolution.

That’s not true.

The Samsung BD-P1000 will output HiDef signals up to 1080i through its component video output. So does the Sony BDP-S1 and many others.

Samsung BD-P1000
…It includes one high-definition multimedia interface (HDMI) output, which provides uncompressed, all-digital video and multi-channel audio delivered via a single cable (720p/1080p). High-definition signals up to 1080i are also available through the component video output.

the Sony BDP-S1
…The BD player is designed to deliver 1920 x 1080p output, the highest HD signal output currently available through an HDMI connection. The player supports various high quality video codecs, including MPEG2, MPEG4-AVC and VC1. Analog component output for 1080i has been included so people who own HD-capable televisions without HDMI can enjoy the Blu-ray Disc experience. The new BDP-S1 model is compatible with standard DVDs with the added feature of 1080p upscaling through HDMI, which gives new life to existing DVDs libraries.

Panasonic DMP-BD10
… 720p/1080i signals available through HDMI or component video


And so on…



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Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
« Reply #25 on: 27 May 2007, 12:34 pm »
A 1080P signal is only available via HDMI. 

That’s not true.

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And so on…


er, all your examples say maximum 1080i over component.

coming back to the LG... this is the player that doesn't play redbook CDs??

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Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
« Reply #26 on: 4 Jun 2007, 05:33 pm »
For those waiting on a cheaper Blu ray player that don't want to use the PS3...the new Sony model is going to be in stores for 499.00 in a week.
Look for it to be selling for 399.00 or less fairly soon..

boead

Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
« Reply #27 on: 4 Jun 2007, 05:43 pm »
A 1080P signal is only available via HDMI. 

That’s not true.

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And so on…


er, all your examples say maximum 1080i over component.

coming back to the LG... this is the player that doesn't play redbook CDs??


apply 3:2 pulldown

randytsuch

Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
« Reply #28 on: 4 Jun 2007, 07:14 pm »
A 1080P signal is only available via HDMI. 

That’s not true.

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And so on…


er, all your examples say maximum 1080i over component.

coming back to the LG... this is the player that doesn't play redbook CDs??


apply 3:2 pulldown

What does 3.2 pulldown have to do with 1080i vs 1080p?   :scratch:

And, I thought the same thing, to get 1080p, you need to go to HDMI.

Randy

boead

Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
« Reply #29 on: 4 Jun 2007, 07:45 pm »
I was under the impression that if the TV has 3:2 or is it 2:3 pulldown it can convert a 1080i into 1080p50/60 (doubling the frame rate) - real or interpolated or something like that.

Maybe I’m wrong. 

Point is that maximum resolution is achieved with HD or BlueRay with component cables. Interlacing does not affect resolution, all the pixels are there either way – interlaced or not.

If one believes that a progressive signal is better then an interlaced one, then that’s fine. I think that most can’t tell the difference. Maybe on an LCD.
« Last Edit: 4 Jun 2007, 09:49 pm by boead »

randytsuch

Re: Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?
« Reply #30 on: 4 Jun 2007, 08:04 pm »
From Wikipedia

1080i film-based content can become true 1080p/24
The following examples refer to content that is encoded in progressive-scan form during recording or transmission—what would be considered "native" progressive signals. However, where 24 fps film-based material is concerned, a 1080i encoded/transmitted stream can become a true "1080p" signal during playback by deinterlacing to re-combine the split field pairs into progressive film-scanned frames. Regarding 24 fps film-source material presented in conventional 1080i60 form, the deinterlacing process that achieves this goal is usually referred to as "3:2 pulldown reversal" [also known as "inverse telecine"]. The importance of this is that, where film-based content is concerned, all 1080-interlaced signals are potentially 1080p signals given the proper deinterlacing. As long as no additional image-degradation steps were applied during signal mastering (such as excessive vertical-pass filtering), the image from a properly deinterlaced film-source 1080i signal and a native-encoded 1080p signal will look approximately the same. It should be noted that Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD sources are 1080p with no vertical filtering, therefore, 1080i output from players can be perfectly reconstructed to 1080p with 3:2 pulldown reversal.

As more and more processors and displays come to market able to apply 3:2 pulldown reversal to film-based 1080i60 signals, the amount of available "1080p" content for viewing expands (encompassing film-based 1080i60 feeds from broadcast HD, cable, and satellite).


So, I stand corrected, although I also think it is more complicated than this.  Depends how good the deinterlacing is, and it talks about 60 fps, and I don't think these players are outputing 60 fps.  60fps interlaced would have as much infomation as 30fps non interlaced.

And thanks for bringing this up, I have learned something new today.

Randy