[guest1632]

Hi all,

Well, considering these anticables at $100 a pair. Now, I think I have a fairly good idea of how Paul makes them, and that's the rub. These aren't braided or anything like that. To make a pair would not be to hard. You'd just have to know the different gauges of wires he uses for both center and the stretched-out spiral ground wire. So before committing, are there any cables out there for $100 that will beat them?

I confess my problem with these cables is simple. They are a "minimalist approach" to making them. The price to me should be lower. My opinion and if wrong, then I am wrong. So it would seem to me he is pricing them out of the value these cables produce. So that's that. I guess I'm having a hard time justifying the price. So please if I am wrong, go head and correct me. Obviously since I can't see the pics, I don't have the full picture.

Ray

[JohnR]

$100 -- for a ten-foot pair of speaker cables? Honestly I would just buy them, it's hardly worth trying to make them yourself, in fact by the time you experimented with different wire it would probably cost more.

JohnR

[guest1632]

$100 -- for a ten-foot pair of speaker cables? Honestly I would just buy them, it's hardly worth trying to make them yourself, in fact by the time you experimented with different wire it would probably cost more.

JohnR

Hi John,

Mybad, I should have specified. These are the IC's $100 for a meter pair.

Ray

[JohnR]

Oh OK... well, if you want to experiment, get a packet of magnet wire and plastic-bodied RCAs from Radio Shack and make the shortest ones that will work with your components. Just two bits of wire per connector, don't twist. That will at least give you a basis for comparison

[jrebman]

Ray,

I have a pair of the anti-ICs and they stomp all over some rather more expensive Nordost cables I had, as well as everything else I've tried from Audio Note, Audio Quest, and Tara Labs.

The interconnects are not constructed like the speaker cables, in that they are not just two dangling wires with RCAs on the ends, and they are also not a spiral ground wire around a center conductor.  They are basically two thin conductors that are insulated with whatever enamel, lacquer, polyurethane, or whatever else  it is that Paul uses, and then the two wires are bonded together and then formed into a tight, flexible, but sturdy spiral.  Probably not the easies thing in the world to make so that they hold their shape, which in turn probably accounts, at least somewhat for their good measurements and performance.

I got mine with the optional Eichman bullet plugs and all I can say is that I'm going to be buying more once my new preamp arrives.

So, the bottom line is that they sound great -- incredible even, are probably not that easy to clone, and compete with, or blow away cables costing 8 to 10 times more.

I like making DIY cables myself, and I don't think I could better these for the same money.

-- Jim

[guest1632]

Ray,

I have a pair of the anti-ICs and they stomp all over some rather more expensive Nordost cables I had, as well as everything else I've tried from Audio Note, Audio Quest, and Tara Labs.

The interconnects are not constructed like the speaker cables, in that they are not just two dangling wires with RCAs on the ends, and they are also not a spiral ground wire around a center conductor.  They are basically two thin conductors that are insulated with whatever enamel, lacquer, polyurethane, or whatever else  it is that Paul uses, and then the two wires are bonded together and then formed into a tight, flexible, but sturdy spiral.  Probably not the easies thing in the world to make so that they hold their shape, which in turn probably accounts, at least somewhat for their good measurements and performance.

I got mine with the optional Eichman bullet plugs and all I can say is that I'm going to be buying more once my new preamp arrives.

So, the bottom line is that they sound great -- incredible even, are probably not that easy to clone, and compete with, or blow away cables costing 8 to 10 times more.

I like making DIY cables myself, and I don't think I could better these for the same money.

-- Jim

Hi Jim,

Thanks for the info. I had talked to Paul, and he told me that the cables had a smaller diameter center wire with a much bigger ground wire. He said the ground was in a spiral shape like a Slinky but stretched out. Anyway, that is where I got the info, and obviously pictured it wrong. just was debating how much speaker wire to get. Are those the copper Eichman's or the Silverr Eichman connectors?

Ray

[jrebman]

Ray,

After reading this I went upstairs to check to see if I missed anything, and I can only guess that this is a case of an incomplete or awkward description because I felt the IC again and the ground wire and center wire (which probably means the wire connected to the center pin of the RCA) are, as I said, bonded together and then wound into a spiral.  It looks like a stiff piece of wire formed into a slinky and then stretched out -- so that part is accurate -- but there is no wire running down the middle of the spiral.

I have the gold bullets -- the silver ones are abut double the cost for the connectors, and I'm not even sure Paul uses them.  I have heard rumors that he does make silver cables like this, and those probably have silver bullets, but these are not advertised on the web site and I always forget to ask him when I call.

Hope this helps,

Jim

[rollo]

Ray,
       The ICs have 2 conductors, a spiraled conductor and a thinner center conductor. Paul has done extensive research in choosing the wire, coating and configuration of such. The cable is a winner in every respect.
      You can try DIY but I believe it will not prove positive. If you purchase the ICs order with Eichmann connectors they do make a positive difference IMO.
        Now you know from the Promitheus thread I am not a big fan of silver ICs. However the silver Anti Cables with the Eichmann Bullets are the exception. They are IMO worth every Pennie spent. They come with a thirty day money back guarantee. Paul is a pleasure to deal with. The silver ICs are not on the web site. Call Paul to order. The silver edition was the brainchild of Nick Venice of Arcicci. I had them in my system between CDP and preamp. Wow is all I can say. They are not inexpensive but still IMO a bargin compared to their competition.
    rollo

[gooberdude]

Hey Rollo,

I hear the new silver IC's are a completely difft design...waht can you tell us?

Also, i can only use the anti-IC's between my amp & TVC...all my unshielded IC's generate a hum when placed in that spot.

Are the new anti-IC silver's coated/shileded or just nude silver??   I am intersted in trying a pair, but i'm so happy with both sets of anti-IC's that i really don't need them...

[guest1632]

Ray,
       The ICs have 2 conductors, a spiraled conductor and a thinner center conductor. Paul has done extensive research in choosing the wire, coating and configuration of such. The cable is a winner in every respect.
      You can try DIY but I believe it will not prove positive. If you purchase the ICs order with Eichmann connectors they do make a positive difference IMO.
        Now you know from the Promitheus thread I am not a big fan of silver ICs. However the silver Anti Cables with the Eichmann Bullets are the exception. They are IMO worth every Pennie spent. They come with a thirty day money back guarantee. Paul is a pleasure to deal with. The silver ICs are not on the web site. Call Paul to order. The silver edition was the brainchild of Nick Venice of Arcicci. I had them in my system between CDP and preamp. Wow is all I can say. They are not inexpensive but still IMO a bargin compared to their competition.
    rollo

Hi Rollo,

The silver IC's are $250.00. They automatically come with the Eichman RCA. Will probably go with the standard ones for now. Paul told me there is a lot to make those silver IC's.

Ray

[apstoltz]

Ray, I think that you would be happy with the anti-cable purchase. I have been through a slew of cables and found that there speaker cable is unbelievable. I was sceptic at first, but they sound so pure and natural, very live like...so to speak.