Shopping for a new Preamp - your thoughts?

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Berndt

Re: Shopping for a new Preamp - your thoughts?
« Reply #20 on: 7 Nov 2006, 02:57 pm »
Berndt chimed in here and I can't believe he didn't mention this.

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In my experience, when people say they want to spend 2500$, they are not going to even consider a 800$ new option.
Flys right under the radar, and I end up sounding like a broken record ranting about DR LLoyds products. :roll:
Don't want to get a reputation for being a shill. :duh:

Captain Humble

Re: Shopping for a new Preamp - your thoughts?
« Reply #21 on: 7 Nov 2006, 03:14 pm »
Jeff thanks, your preamp looks fantastic!! - I'd choose the same finish if I went that route.

What sets it aside from the Modwright? - I know your unit probably isn't broken-in yet, but just wondered if at this early stage you might highlight a few specific differences (tonal character, frequency extension etc).

Thanks a lot

Rooze
Rooze,

Sorry for taking so long to respond to this but things are a bit hectic here right now.

ModWright vs. Dodd - What sets them apart?
The biggest and most obvious difference is that the Dodd runs off batteries rather than a transformer converting AC to DC.  Based on what I’ve been told, batteries deliver pure DC power while a transformer passes along any crud that came out of the wall outlet.
So, the Dodd gives you a black noise free background without the use of a power conditioner.

Another difference between the two is that the ModWright has to be on for the Home Theater Bypass to work.  The Dodd does not have to be turned on to engage H/T Bypass.

BACKGROUND:
Lonewolf sent me his ModWright just prior to RMAF 2005.

I knew that my Odyssey Tempest was the weak link in my system and the ModWright proved it.  It was substantially better in the base department and IMHumbelO bested the Tempest in all other respects as well.  Please note that I had both preamps at the same time so I was able to swap them in out of my system for comparisons.

My assessment at that time was that it sounded great in my system and people I respect had made the ModWright their preamp of choice so I called Dan to order one.  The only issue I had with the ModWright was that it introduced a ground loop hum in system.  I informed Dan of this issue when we spoke and he said that he would have a look at the circuit diagrams at his earliest opportunity to see if there was something he could do at his end to resolve the issue.  I held off on the purchase and waited for him to get back to me.

I visited his room at RMAF 2005 with Lonewolf and Gordy and introduced myself.  He’s a nice guy and I enjoyed our chat, but he did change his position on looking for a resolution to my problem due to lack of time.

Lonewolf, Gordy and I were impressed with the GR Research / Dodd room.
We all thought the Dodd Intermediate Pre was worth exploring.  Gary Dodd lives about 20 minutes from me and he agreed to lend me the intermediate so I could hear it in my system.

I picked it up shortly after the show and loved it.  I have a couple of buddies with excellent ears and Michelangelo at one time made his living helping bands sound better.  They both got significantly more excited about the Dodd in my system than they did the ModWright.  After our last session with the Dodd, Michelangelo jumped up, threw his hands over his head and screamed, “I’ve been tubed!!!  How soon can he get one to you?”

I asked both Gary and Danny if I should pop for the extra coins and order the Dodd Reference Pre instead of the Intermediate.  They both said that the difference was so slight vs. the significantly higher cost that they would go with the Intermediate.  I ordered one.

A couple of weeks later, Gary told me that he had designed and built a prototype of the new Battery Powered Pre and it bested his Reference Pre significantly.  Danny from GR Research confirmed Gary’s assessment so I switched my order to the Battery Powered Pre. I picked it up just prior to RMAF 2006.  So, almost a year has passed since I last heard the ModWright and consequently I am not prepared to draw further comparisons between the two.

After the Holidays, I’m going to host a North Texas Audio Jam at my place.  Hopefully someone around here has a Modwright we can use for comparison.  I also intend to ship my Dodd to Lonewolf so he can play with yet another new toy.  If no one in the NY area has the Dodd he can also take it to one of their Raves.  At that point there should be plenty of comparisons made by qualified people to address your question better than I can at this point.

PARTING THOUGHTS:
Danny from GR Research is a designer and consultant.
He has heard a plethora of preamps including those with 5 digit sticker prices.
Per Danny the Dodd beats them all.  Having heard the ModWright I would narrow my choices down to these two.

I believe that Marbles has also heard both and this isn’t his first rodeo, so you might quiz him as well.  I would suggest that at this level soundstage, clarity, etc. are all exceptional and any differences between the ModWright and the Dodd will probably be slight.  The acid test is to get your hands on one of each and test them in your system.

Sorry I can't be more specific regarding every musical nauance, but until you hear them both in your room, in your system who knows. :scratch:

Best of luck with your search,
Jeff

Frihed91

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Re: Shopping for a new Preamp - your thoughts?
« Reply #22 on: 7 Nov 2006, 03:16 pm »
Don't confuse people.  If a person wants to spend $2500 on a preamp and doesn't want an $800 preamp, then i'd look at Juicy music BlueBerry Extreme or the Rogue Persius.  They both cost around $1800.  Ypou can spend the rest on tubes!

foodman

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Re: Shopping for a new Preamp - your thoughts?
« Reply #23 on: 7 Nov 2006, 03:48 pm »
Rooze,

I'd bring my Van Alstine Ultra SL down for you to try.  I don't think it sounds lean.

rooze

Re: Shopping for a new Preamp - your thoughts?
« Reply #24 on: 7 Nov 2006, 03:49 pm »
Thanks guys, and Jeff in particular for putting some perspective on the new Dodd. I hate it when something new comes along and it's refered to as a 'giant killer'...finally with Jeff's post there's at least a better sense of where the Dodd sits with respect to the last 'giant killer' (Modwright) !!

I take the point made about having $2500 and not looking closely enough at something for $800. My only defence would be to say that I'm trying to attain some balance in my system, and with an expensive front-end like the Audio Aero, it's hard to contemplate running the signal into a preamp that's one tenth the cost of the source. But you're right, I shouldn't rule anything out.
When I posted this thread I was hoping to attract input from a few Tact users and to bring a few more comments on the new Dodd. The Tact RCS just whets my appetite, since I've long been an advocate for the room+speaker=one component theory. Unfortunately I've had a less than stellar experience with the original RCS2.0, so it's hard to contemplate going back over the same old ground.....but maybe the 2.2XP is significantly improved and warrants the risk?
When I came to the realization that my system needed a preamp, my thought was to find something transparent that didn't change the sound, just basically a switching device for multiple sources.....but hey, for $2k the damn thing ought to make the system sound better, not the same!!

Anyway....*steps down off his soapbox*

Too much caffeine already  :D

Cheers

Rooze

rooze

Re: Shopping for a new Preamp - your thoughts?
« Reply #25 on: 7 Nov 2006, 03:53 pm »
Rooze,

I'd bring my Van Alstine Ultra SL down for you to try.  I don't think it sounds lean.

Yo Foodman!

Didn't know you hung around on the Circle !

Sure thing, c'mon down!

I've only had one preamp in the system (the CJ) so would welcome any opportunity to try something else...

Cheers

Roozer



rooze

Re: Shopping for a new Preamp - your thoughts?
« Reply #26 on: 7 Nov 2006, 03:56 pm »
Berndt,

I did spend some time at DR Lloyds website, I like the minimalist approach with quality parts...also, the idea of having a selector switch to select different 'preamp circuits' is pretty unique...thanks for the tip.

Rooze

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Re: Shopping for a new Preamp - your thoughts?
« Reply #27 on: 7 Nov 2006, 05:31 pm »
In my experience, when people say they want to spend 2500$, they are not going to even consider a 800$ new option.
Flys right under the radar, and I end up sounding like a broken record ranting about DR LLoyds products. :roll:
Don't want to get a reputation for being a shill. :duh:

I thought you were going to shill for me! :lol:


Don't confuse people.  If a person wants to spend $2500 on a preamp and doesn't want an $800 preamp, then i'd look at Juicy music BlueBerry Extreme or the Rogue Persius.  They both cost around $1800.  Ypou can spend the rest on tubes!

This is exactly the kind of mindset I'm talking about. The "person" should be interested in getting the preamp he will ENJOY the most, not the one he can throw the most cash after. That was "Lord Magenpans" approach to audio. I hate to break it to you, but cost has nothing to do with quality. By your logic the $800 Ultra couldn't possibly compete with my $6,500 Hovland. Well, the fact is it competed, and it won.

I've also heard lots of Rogue gear. Not a fan. That's a waste of $1,800 and the Ultra would really destroy that thing. (and the blueberry) You can think what you like, but the fact is you are equating expense with quality and you could not be more incorrect. One day that fact will hit home.

The Ultra is a simple, un-assuming preamp made with very specific sound goals in mind at a fair price point. SOUND GOALS, in case anyone missed that. And I and many others can attest that it more than meets them. But if everyone is set on spending 5 times as much on eye candy, well, all we can do is grin and say is we told you so.
 :D

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Re: Shopping for a new Preamp - your thoughts?
« Reply #28 on: 7 Nov 2006, 09:42 pm »
Nice post there Captain/Jeff.... :thumb:
Everything he wrote is true.... 8)
Looking forward to hearing the Dodd on my own turf.....thanks !!!! :D

As for comments on the Mapletree preamp....finally got to hear one at the last Rave(owned by topround/Mike). And ....I liked it. 8)
Used with two Butler 2250's...was a nice match. Added to the soundstage and depth of the many cd's we played....great on the Jazz cuts. :dance:
For what it costs.....I'd rate it a "best buy" in preamps. And I'm planning to purchase one in the future.
So I'd say....try to have a listen in your system, then you'll know for sure. :thumb:

                                 Chris

rabpaul

Re: Shopping for a new Preamp - your thoughts?
« Reply #29 on: 8 Nov 2006, 04:04 am »
What do you guys think of the Bel Canto Pre3?

fredgarvin

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Re: Shopping for a new Preamp - your thoughts?
« Reply #30 on: 8 Nov 2006, 05:03 am »
The pre that has my attention is the new Odyssey Candela. The Odyssey room at RMAF was commented on as a highlight room by about every periodical or website present. If there is anything I do know, its that one need not spend two grand to get a great pre. Fine by me however, if someone disagrees. I would think one would want to check out the Odyssey as well as the Dodd, Mod, SAS,  Maple etc.

MaxCast

Re: Shopping for a new Preamp - your thoughts?
« Reply #31 on: 8 Nov 2006, 10:59 am »
Also keep in mind that a $2500 preamp sold through dealers will have a 500-1250 mark up just because there is a dealer involved.  Not saying that is good or bad just the facts.

bunky

Re: Shopping for a new Preamp - your thoughts?
« Reply #32 on: 8 Nov 2006, 10:24 pm »
The pre that has my attention is the new Odyssey Candela. The Odyssey room at RMAF was commented on as a highlight room by about every periodical or website present. If there is anything I do know, its that one need not spend two grand to get a great pre. Fine by me however, if someone disagrees. I would think one would want to check out the Odyssey as well as the Dodd, Mod, SAS,  Maple etc.
I own the new Odyssey Candela.  Alex G @ Odyssey who designed the Candela is a very talented individual and has built a stellar sounding tube preamplifier that competes with preamps costing several times its modest $1150.00 price tag. the Candela is very receptive to tube rolling.i am running a pair of vintage 1962 NOS Amperex Holland ECC186 / 7316 PQ's  :drool: in mine and it sounds phenominal.thanks....WCW III