High End Audio vs. Live Performance

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nathanm

Re: High End Audio vs. Live Performance
« Reply #20 on: 1 Sep 2006, 06:08 pm »
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I would love to check those out. Can you provide more details?

http://www.3daudioinc.com/catalog/

Looks like they've added a lot since I last checked.  The 3d Pre and 3d Mic are the ones I referred to.  Keep in mind, there is almost NO entertainment value on these discs, it's purely academic in nature.  Like, even less than the Sheffield Drum & Track record! :o  (although both the pre CD and the drum disc feature the Manley mic)  It might be something you only listen to once, if that.  Just my experience though...

Russell Dawkins

Re: High End Audio vs. Live Performance
« Reply #21 on: 1 Sep 2006, 06:43 pm »
I'm guessing you are referring to this CD:
http://www.3daudioinc.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/28?osCsid=569ae47a9ad7ea25ce43de6bfb207252

It's also worth noting that this was released in 2003 and does not include some recent mics of considerable interest. A lot has happened since the middle of 2003 in the world of mics, although this CD will give you some idea of the degree to which mics vary - about as much as speakers.

I have often though that a speaker comparison CD could work in the same way, but designed to be played through headphones (binaural).

This would get around one of the thorny problems in speaker and mic comparisons - that two can't occupy the same position in space and so there is a built in variable to any comparison. This, in comparing mics, either limits you to two or three mics per performance or to get the same mic position, a different performance for each mic or set of mics. As you can imagine, the performance can vary as much as the mics, or more.

Big problem.

nathanm

Re: High End Audio vs. Live Performance
« Reply #22 on: 1 Sep 2006, 07:30 pm »
All true, however I think they made as much effort as can be reasonably expected to eliminate variables in the process.  If it was me I would've gone catatonic with boredom.  For having to sing the same damn thing a hundred times in a row I think they did a helluva job.  If you can make it through this CD I promise you will never want to hear another hymn again! :lol:

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Re: High End Audio vs. Live Performance
« Reply #23 on: 20 Oct 2006, 02:56 am »
Depending on the music genre, the goals are different. Classical and Jazz, yes there is more effort put into trying to faithfully reproduce the live performance. Pop music( Top 40, Rock etc...) the goals can very widely, but faithfullness is not generally the goal. The goal would be to make it as palatable to as broad an audience as possible, with perhaps a bias toward the intended demographic. There is a lot of corrective trickery done in order to achieve this.

Techno, electronic based music is a lot more experimental, where anything that sounds cool, is cool. No holds barred.

The quest for absolute sound is futile. It fails right at the first point. The microphone. Microphones don't act like human ears do. There are a number of different types, dynamic, condenser, ribbon being the main ones. They all have different characters and sound very different when used on the same source. So it becomes like artists choosing brushes and paints in order to paint an aural picture. It's still a facsimile.

The producer, engineer, musicians, mastering engineer, record company directives etc......are all part of the equation as well.

If one were to trace the path the signal takes as it enters the microphone straight through to the time it emanates from the consumers speakers, the amount of conversions and manipulations is quite staggering.

I think even as listeners we are much like artists viewing another artists painting. The way you perceive it is in your own unique way, although there is some continuity from person to person. To unanimously agree on perfection is futile. There is no perfect facsimile. It is merely a recreation of a past event. :|

Cheers