[Carlman]

If I do look to replace the paradigms are there any large bookshelf along the sams size as my 40s (22Hx 8Wx12d ) that will give me more of a full range speaker sound Or am I limited by the large bookshelf style speakers ?
Thanks ~

SP Technologies' Timpieces are larger monitors that are full range.  Give 'em a listen... The lows will blow you away.  I have a pair of Usher X-718's that are large-ish bookshelves, more like monitors... and they have great bass and are spectacular speakers... but the bass isn't as big and deep as the SP's.

-C

[Antman27]

Just havin a quick look @ the ACIs Panorama and Protégé V
They look nice any thoughts ?

[GHM]

The 40 is a bookshelf speaker and will not have any real bass especially located out in the room. That's a given.

Adding the Seismic 12 should make a good full range speaker system. You said it didn't blend well. Can you explain how it was connected? Was an external xover utilized? Or did you run the sub in parallel with the 40s?

Hi Bob the sub was fed using a pair of the Bryston's RCA outputs. The sub was tweaked from its own crossovers on the back of the subwoofer. When I say didn't blend well. I'm using a fullrange TL speaker as reference. The timing was a tad bit off and there was a slight gap in frequencies between the sub and the speakers. I didn't play with the sub at all. I ask the sales person(another friend) to turn it off.

Ant,
What's the difference between having a small floorstander or a monitor on stands? You're taking up the same amount of space.

[Antman27]

They will live on a pice of AV Funiture like my 40s are now

[GHM]

Looks like you have enough room for floorstanders on each side of the TV with no problems. Just a thought..no need to limit yourself unless you have to. But if this is your only option. You have plenty of monitors to choose from.

I'm not sure how high that TV stand is. But it will effect the performance you get from any monitor. Especially if it isn't the right height. You also need at least 6 1/2  feet between those speakers. Your imaging will suffer from this.

[Antman27]

A bit off of the subject but if I stay with this type set up  -any thoughts if I should Couple or decouple
Now I have brass points under the speakers -would this be best or wood on wood or even rubber underneath the speakers ?

[JLM]

Antman,

If budget allows, VMPS 626 speakers are rated down to 42 Hz (and I believe it), sound very good, can be modded up (later), and would fit where the Studio 40's are now.

In general I recommend either coupling all the way (speaker to stand to concrete floor) or decouple all the way if on a wooden floor.  In your case (sharing speakers with the rest of the equipment) I'd definitely decouple.  This sharing of the equipment stand with the speakers waaay less than ideal.

Frankly, your entire physical setup is lousy.  If you can't move those speakers off the stand and a couple of feet away from both the back wall and TV you're stuck at audio first base.  As it is, if you could get deep bass from the speakers, it'd just feedback to the source and boom from the close proximity of the big TV/rear wall, let alone the fact that you can't develop a center image with the TV in the way.  (As I recall from a previous thread wifey has you on a short leash in regards to equipment locations.) 

This is one reason why many use headphones.  I'd invest in a nice CDP with a good headphone output with a good set of headphones.  For example see:

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/audiotechnica/winning.html

[mcgsxr]

Freebie suggestion - can you try moving the speakers forward, so that the edge of the speaker is slightly forward of the front of the TV?  From the pic, it appears that the side of the TV meets the front of your speaker - guaranteed to mess with your imaging.

Just slide the speakers forward on the TV stand, so that the front baffle is 1+ inches forward of the TV.  Should see an improvement in imaging, and perhaps a little more bass, as the speakers are clear of the rear wall a little more.

Worth the 30 seconds it will take...

[bunky]

Hello all I Hate to bring this up again BUT wanted your thoughts
My Paradigm 40's seam like they have a lack of lows
I am driveing them with a Denon AVR 3805 - NOW I am only speaking of 2 ch listning with NO sub
I am comparing this set up with one I have & work that is
Paradigm SA-35s driven by a Carver Pre amp tuner PSC-60 with Crown D-75s amps
I would think the lows should be comperable from the 40's to the 35's ??

Since the 35's are inwalls are the walls giving me the better sounding lows Or is it the amp/ pre amp set up
Here are the links to the 2 speakers
Thanks for your thoughts

http://www.paradigm.com/Website/SiteReferenceProduct/RModels/StudioSeries/StudioSpecs.html

http://www.paradigm.com/Website/SiteReferenceProduct/RModels/InWall/SA_Specs.htm

I have played with a bunch of speaker cables & nothing improved the Lows

i own a pair of reference studio 100v3s that have three 6.5" woofers a 6.5" Midrange and a 1" aluminum tweeter per tower and i also own my Loreleis with a 6.8" Scanspeak 8545 midbass driver and a 1"silk dome Scanspeak 9700 tweeter and the bass from the Loreleis sounds much better in my two channel rig than the 100v3s do. the Studios are not known for stellar bass performance.thanks....WCW III

[Antman27]

Ok so I moved the speakers up about 1" in front of the TV and moved them about 1" to the edge of the stand
They are now 8" from the back wall and 5Ft apart to center .
I do notice a small improvement in imaging and lows, when I turn on the manual EQ that the lows are boosted they do come to life a bit more- I should not have to boost the tone controles  or set a manual EQ to get the lows I am looking for tho RIGHT ~
The TV stand is 20" tall that puts the tweeters @ 40"

[Mag]

A couple of points, Paradigm's benefit from being close to boundaries.  Your 40's won't have the bass of the 100's but I still think that you should have substantial amount of upper bass, set your speakers to large. Secondly I don't think your Denon can drive these speakers adequately. Trust me on this as I used my Yamaha which can drive them but not to their optimal sound. So a power amp is in order here, and Brystons do match well with Paradigms. Also get a power conditioner, it makes a difference.
  And finally I think that its possible that you aren't used to clean sounding bass. The Paradigms are very neutral speakers and if you are used to hearing bloated bass all your life it may take some listening time to adjust. I know this because when I played my system for a friend he also claimed it lacked bass. I didn't know what he was talking about since I have Studio 100's which have plenty of bass. So I adjusted the bass tone control to +3 and then he was happy.
  I would only dish these speakers after you are getting optimal sound from them, which you aren't right now. Perhaps the Paradigm sound is not for you and you need a speaker that accents the bass. But don't do it pre-maturely, you'll be surprised by how much more they're capable of.

[Doublej]

I too suspect that the Denon just doesn't have the low end oomph of the Crowns. Have you tried reversing the cables on the speakers?

It's possible that the polarity is coming out inverted.

[Antman27]

Thanks Mag ~
Well after playin around this weekend with them I now have them set to Large I also have the bass ton control @ +6 ALSO the manual EQ with a boost in the lows & it sounds much better to me althow it may be all wrong
The   polarity is correct
The Imaging & lows did improve moving them out from the TV -
I bet if I did have them 6 1/2 or more  feet apart and a better power amp they would dance But in a tight home with my daughters toys all over I think the speakers on the TV stand will work for now
I Just Had a listen to Stairway (from digital cable music choice so it not the best source) and the imaging was better than I expected nice left to right separation & when Bonham started pounding on the drums it seamed center .
So sounds like its back to my new sub quest and mabey 2 nuforce amps to drive the 40's some day
I have limited space so I thought the nuforce would be a good choice when the funds allow
  Thanks ~

[Antman27]

This aint small but it sure is Handsome sub

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Paradigm-Reference-Servo-15-Home-Theater-Subwoofer_W0QQitemZ170032270422QQihZ007QQcategoryZ3275QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[woodsyi]

woodsyi what are your thoughts that raises this red flag
If I could swing the funds for the semisonic do you think I would be better off with the Velo SPL1200R ?

Antman,

I have nothing against Paradigm speakers but I just think you are committing money into a system that may not have as much upside as others at a reasonable price.  When the proposed solution is adding a sub that cost more than the speakers (used market value), I question the move. I personally would sell the speakers, add the fund you allocated for a sub and get another pair that would fit your need.  IMHO, I think you can do a lot better with products offered by AC manufacturer's (especially used) than tweaking your Studio 40s.

[Soundbitten]

Bi-amping is another possibility to increase bass .