speaker placement issue...help!

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enigma7

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speaker placement issue...help!
« on: 11 Jul 2006, 04:56 am »
i've got ACI Essences LR that are going to placed in a wall cavity. the cavity is about 48"H, 15"D and 15"W. Besides placing the speakers on Aurelex MoPads, what else should i do? btw the Essences are sealed.

can i cover the inside of the cavity with something to decrease reflections?


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« Reply #1 on: 11 Jul 2006, 04:31 pm »
> can i cover the inside of the cavity with something to decrease reflections? <

It's difficult to envision this. Can you take a photo and post it?

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« Reply #2 on: 11 Jul 2006, 06:30 pm »


the speakers are to sit in those cavities.



and thank you in advance Ethan for your help.

Sunny

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« Reply #3 on: 12 Jul 2006, 03:16 pm »
Sunny,

> Besides placing the speakers on Aurelex MoPads, what else should i do? <

You should make the opening the exact same size as the speakers, but with an 1/8 to 1/4 inch gap all around so the speaker almost touches but not quite.

> can i cover the inside of the cavity with something to decrease reflections? <

If the cavity is larger than the speaker box I'd stuff (not too tightly) fluffy fiberglass all around in the spaces.

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« Reply #4 on: 12 Jul 2006, 04:22 pm »
Kind of related...
enigma7, did you speak to Mike at ACI about possible xo adjustments for "in wall" mounting?

enigma7

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« Reply #5 on: 12 Jul 2006, 06:15 pm »
regarding fluffy fiberglass...would R-19 be sufficient?

maxcast...i didn't think of that.....i'll discuss it with Mike....thanks for the info.

enigma7

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« Reply #6 on: 12 Jul 2006, 06:26 pm »
Ethan, could i also fill in the excess space around the speaker with OC 703 instead of fluffy fiberglass. would that yield a better result?

also the speakers are sealed....if that make any difference.
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« Reply #7 on: 13 Jul 2006, 02:21 pm »
The fact that the speakers are sealed will certainly make them better candidates for pseudo in-wall mounting.  Ethan's point is very important regarding a small and consistent distance from the speakers to the enclosure.  If the spaces become too large, they will audibly resonate based on their geometry, essentially setting up standing waves as a room does.

I would think that 703 would be as or more effective but without knowing the exact dimensions of the speaker and hence the dimensions of the spaces around them, it would be guessing.  You would need to calculate what frequencies would be reinforced by the space around the cabinets (which could be complex to do accurately) and find out which material has a better absorption coefficient at those frequencies.  703 is more linear at most frequencies than R-19, so I'd go for the 703 to be safe.  That doesn't mean it would be best, but it will be much better than doing nothing.  If you have small gaps as Ethan suggests though, you'd have a hard time slicing the 703 that thin.

Ideally, you'd have built the cavity as a hole to the exact dimensions of the front of the speaker, secure the speaker flush with the front of that angled wall, and then treat the larger area behind it with insulation instead of making a cavity for it to sit in.  Then you'd avoid this issue.

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« Reply #8 on: 13 Jul 2006, 02:31 pm »
Are the speakers designed for in-wall mounting?  If not, I would think that the speaker crossover will have the incorrect level of baffle step compensation designed in.

I'm not aware that this can be corrected electronically, but it might be a simple mod for some of the speakers designers in our midst....

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« Reply #9 on: 13 Jul 2006, 02:55 pm »
> could i also fill in the excess space around the speaker with OC 703 instead of fluffy fiberglass. would that yield a better result? <

I'd just use fluffy and pack it to whatever thickness is needed. Not too tightly. The goal is to avoid resonances.

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« Reply #10 on: 13 Jul 2006, 03:39 pm »
the speakers are ACI Essence V. i guess i should have gotten the ones designed for cabinet use.

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« Reply #11 on: 13 Jul 2006, 04:28 pm »
Except for wall panel speakers and i have no idea how they sound.  With few exceptions (some AN speakers), speakers do not perform well crammed into corner or close to side and/or back walls.  Even if you just listen in the near field, the main rule is: get the speakers into the middle of the room.  You then will find that speakers do NOT have to be 10 feet apart and you do NOT have to be 10 feet from the speakers to get lovely imaging.  Speaker salesmen, esp for multi-channel music, never tell you that.