ECD-1 DAC mod findings - blow-by-blow

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« Reply #40 on: 21 Aug 2004, 01:56 pm »
Rob,

I think Chris' unit does have the Super-Duper Superclock 2.

Chris or Steve, is that correct?

I don't think Chris' unit is edgy is anyway.  It's just that the Audiologic is a little more smoother and a little more seductive.

Right now I think both units are excellent, just different flavors.  I need more time with each to figure things out.

My ideal unit would combine the best of both and not cost a small fortune.

George

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« Reply #41 on: 21 Aug 2004, 04:40 pm »
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Rob,

I think Chris' unit does have the Super-Duper Superclock 2.

Chris or Steve, is that correct?

I don't think Chris' unit is edgy is anyway.  It's just that the Audiologic is a little more smoother and a little more seductive.

Right now I think both units are excellent, just different flavors.  I need more time with each to figure things out.

My ideal unit would combine the best of both and not cost a small fortune.

George


Chris' ECD-1 has a modded Superclock2, not the SuperTurboclock.  I found the ECD-1 to be not quite as accurate at piano and guitar as the P-3A DAC, but I never tried in balanced mode.  I guess I should have.

It does not surprise me that the Audiologic is more laid-back.  Dynamics is where most stock DAC's are lacking.  The Tube output may also give a more deep soundstage, but maybe not as wide.  The seductiveness is typical of a tube output.  I also heard this on the Shanlings that I mod, but all customers preferred the SS outputs in the end (it has both).

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« Reply #42 on: 21 Aug 2004, 04:51 pm »
Steve,

Did you do anything in terms of the balanced input/outputs?  From looking at the unit, it doesn't appear so.

What is the difference in sound between the SuperClock2 and the SuperDuper Clock 2?

Although the EA ECD-1 is very dynamic, the Audiologic is also very good.

It's like saying the BMW M3 is a little faster than my Audi S4.  

George

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« Reply #43 on: 22 Aug 2004, 07:12 pm »
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Steve,

Did you do anything in terms of the balanced input/outputs?  From looking at the unit, it doesn't appear so.

What is the difference in sound between the SuperClock2 and the SuperDuper Clock 2?

Although the EA ECD-1 is very dynamic, the Audiologic is also very good.

It's like saying the BMW M3 is a little faster than my Audi S4.  

George


The balance analog circuits were completely modified, with power delivery changes and wiring changes.  Most of the silver wiring is on the backside, so you cannot see it with just the cover off.  The silver/Teflon will take a month of play-time to really break-in, longer than the capacitors.

The SuperTurboclock2 will have better focused imaging due to an improved, faster comparator.  This also improves the clock symmetry, which is critical in many DVD/SACD players.

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« Reply #44 on: 2 Jun 2006, 08:28 pm »
Just started listening to Lonewolf's Modified ECD-1. All I can say is WOW this thing sounds great!! Thanks for the loan Chris. This DAC is the Shiznit!! So far this is the best digital playback I've heard in my home..just terrific!!! :o


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« Reply #45 on: 3 Jun 2006, 12:25 am »
Your welcome Gymane ..... :D
    Looks like it arrived all in one piece...great, nice photo. And thank you Gordy for taking good care of it ! 8) [/list:u]
      Have a good listen......hmmm, maybe I should of sent the EA modded 7700 as well....they sound excellent together. Steve does great work !!!! :wink: [/list:u]
        Enjoy....[/list:u]
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« Reply #46 on: 3 Jun 2006, 01:47 am »
Chris I agree completely. This is my first listen at Steve's gear.
 Steve's work on this unit is phenominal. I'm getting a very large and spacious soundstage. No harshness to speak of at all. Tight and well controlled bass. Excellent imaging that really encompasses the listener. To be honest, I wonder if it could get any better. :lol:

I'm using it direct into my Audio Sector integrated and straight out to the speakers. Very simple combo..that's knocking my socks off as I listen. I could live with this piece for many years not concerned with upgrading the  DAC. You definitely have a winner here my friend ..I envy you! :mrgreen:

People could say I'm gushing..I really don't give a damn. This DAC is the real deal!! 8)

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« Reply #47 on: 3 Jun 2006, 02:01 am »
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Chris I agree completely. This is my first listen at Steve's gear.
 Steve's work on this unit is phenominal. I'm getting a very large and spacious soundstage. No harshness to speak of at all. Tight and well controlled bass. Excellent imaging that really encompasses the listener. To be honest, I wonder if it could get any better. :lol:

I'm using it direct into my Audio Sector integrated and straight out to the speakers. Very simple combo..that's knocking my socks off as I listen. I could live with this  ...
Nice..... 8)
    Don't forget to try it with the RW Teac and Nixon Mono's....to hear how they compare.[/list:u]
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    Steve's work on this unit is phenominal...
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      He's a pro...years of experience, and it shows.[/list:u]
        Happy listening.... :dance: [/list:u]

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    « Reply #48 on: 3 Jun 2006, 03:29 am »
    hi GHM

    how would you describe the difference between the electro and the audio sector that you have?
    is the electro more extended in the highs?  i would think.
    what about image density etc.?
    thanks
    malcolm

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    « Reply #49 on: 3 Jun 2006, 12:28 pm »
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    hi GHM

    how would you describe the difference between the electro and the audio sector that you have?
    is the electro more extended in the highs?  i would think.
    what about image density etc.?
    thanks
    malcolm


    Hi Malcolm,

    Yes the highs are a tad more extended on the electro. The image density and definition has more solidity. Some of this is due to the fact the AS DAC uses passive I/V conversion no OP AMPS. In order to get similar results I have to use a buffer between the Audio Sector DAC and the integrated with passive volume pot.

    The Electro is more ballsy own its own than the AS in the same configuration. I'm curious as to what the voltage output is on the Electro..as it has mucho dynamic swing!!I get similar soundstage width and depth but only with the addition of the buffer. I can use the Electro without the tube buffer and not even consider using a tube buffer at all. It has a slightly more upfront sound than the AS DAC with crispier overtones. It is also much easier to distinguish instruments and voices.

    Don't get me wrong the AS DAC is hella good well outside of its price range. Definitely not a match for the Electro own its own running through a passive volume control. Using an active volume control with high input impedance..things get a little closer.

    When using a buffer, bass is about the same for each unit. The Electro wins over all in extened highs, separation and purity (being able to run it directly to the integrated). To be a upsampling DAC..the Electro has a very analog sound to it in my system. I like this as listener fatigue is my pet peeve. My upsampling Quad sounded good but nothing like this thing.

    Damn !! I just bought myself a competition road bike yesterday. I'm almost ready to return it to buy a DAC like this!! :lol: Oh well ..I needed to venture outside of audio and spend some money in another hobby. I can always dream though..maybe one day! :D

    At more than ten times the price it better be good and it surely is ! :lol: