nOrh Mini 9.0 review & comparison to Marble 9.0 (long)

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JackStraw

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I had the opportunity to listen to a couple of nOrh speakers this weekend, and I thought that I'd write up my thoughts for those who might be considering them.

The audition was inspired by my aesthetic frustration with my Vandersteen 2cs. I don't have a dedicated listening room, and the Vandys are quite monolithic in the old living room. I was hoping to find something that might look better, take up less space, and sound better all at the same time. The nOrh marble hams seemed like they might fill that order directly.

The nOrh Mini 9.0 concept has excited me since I first saw it posted. Great drivers and a cost-effective approach to a cool cabinet design @ $1500 delivered in the US. Dang. If you aren't aware, the Mini 9.0 is part of the synthetic marble line (see http://www.norh.com -- I won't try to tell that whole story). I found a pair of white used Mini 9.0s for sale within driving distance, and I went down to check them out with my wife. An interesting side point here is that my wife is a bass freak. Because of this, the system concept that I had in mind is starting with the Mini 9.0s, and later adding stereo subs, possibly as stands. The ACI Titan LE II and Adire Rava SE were at the top of my list of potential subs.

Luckily, my host had 2 pairs of real Marble 9.0s at home also, one in black and one in white (with gray highlights). Considering this, I was excited to compare the two models' aesthetics and sonics. After this weekend I'll say that you definitely can't do that on nOrh's web site or by reading posts such as this rambling on the internet. I urge anyone considering these speakers to seek out a way to check them out in person.

Ok, enough setup, I'll break down the bottom line right here. The Mini 9.0 sounds fantastic, especially when you consider how little they give up vs. the ($3000) Marble 9.0. Speakers the size of these Minis have no business producing bass this authoritative and accurate. That being said, you have to be willing to live with the hand crafted "folk art" finish and pragmatic stability issues. I decided that I couldn't because I'm talking about a living room system. Read on for more details.

The system consisted of:
Ah Tjoeb CDP with Dan Wright Mods (my host's)
Acurus DIA-100 MkII (mine)
nOrh Mini 9.0, Marble 9.0
nOrh marble stands
Monster speaker cables (my host's -- definitely not their lamp cord, but I'm not sure which advanced model)
Note : I didn't spend time trying to swap cables or diagnose system problems like a real reviewer.

In this system, the Mini 9.0 (grills off) related more detail than I'm used to with my Vandys, and the sound was more forward. My wife actually described the sound as "bright", although I wouldn't go quite that far. I attributed this to the amp/speaker match, based mainly on reports I've seen that the Acurus can be bright. The Ah may have been contributing some edge that I'm not used to as well. It was not excruciating, unpleasant, and definitely not fatiguing, just different. The bass was strong, tight, and controlled, but not nearly as deep as what I'm accustomed to with the Vandys. No surprise there, those Vandys have a lot more driver and cabinet to them than the Mini 9.0.

Here are some comments on some of the tracks that we used.

Persuasions - Might as Well... (Ripple, Black Muddy River). Without a doubt, I heard nuances, texture and emotion in the a capella vocals that I haven't heard before. This was the highlight of the nOrh audition.

Erikah Badu - Baduism (Rimshot). Completely immersive with controlled, rolling bass line and percussion effects all around the room.

Los Lobos - Kiko (Kiko and the Lavender Moon). There are a lot of intricately placed instruments in this track, and the nOrh's weren't shy about throwing these around the room. Fantastic.

From my live Grateful Dead collection -- 6/11/76 (Scarlet Begonias). Sounded flat and lifeless, unlike what I remember from my Vandys. You might question this choice for a hifi audition, but I have a lot of soundboard recordings that, shall I say, lack the production value of the other tracks that I mentioned. This is great music, and this track is what sold me on my Vandersteens. But, with the nOrh's, it was just dead. I wouldn't rule the nOrh's out for this reason, but it is interesting that my auditory memory of this track on the Vandys is so much better.

My host swapped in the real Marble 9.0s (I certainly wasn't going to wrestle with those beasts). They were a little more forward than the Minis, but just by a hair. My host said that the bigger face plate on the tweeter of the full size Marble 9.0 casts a wider dispersion for a larger sweet spot, but I didn't notice a huge difference. The main difference in the sonics was better bass extension. I don't think that there was any difference in the bass region that the Minis could create, it's just that the Marbles went lower. That being said, the full size 9.0s still lacked the authority and grip in the deep down-low that I'm used to with the Vandys. The Marble 9.0s didn't show me a detail edge over the Minis, which highlights the incredible value of the Mini model.

So, on to the aesthetic and pragmatic issues that I have with the Mini 9.0. I have only seen one pair of white SM's, but this pair had easily noticeable imperfections in the SM finish. I'm talking about stuff like a grouping of 6 or so pen tip sized indentations, edges on the port that form imprecise, inconsistent angles, and general inconsistencies in texture and color. These minor blems might not have mattered to me if I hadn't seen the pristine, stunning finish of the real Marble 9.0. But, now that I've seen the real marble I don't think that an SM speaker with this quality finish would cut it for me. Especially for a system that's OUT in the living room. I realize that these speakers are hand crafted and that some might see these imperfections as character, but I don't. Is this really a typical quality SM speaker?

The pragmatic issue that I have with the nOrh's (Mini or full size) is that, as stand mounted speakers, they seem like an accident waiting to happen. They are extremely heavy, and they seem to be precarious even on the 12x12" top plate nOrh marble stands. With the long horn shape, the center of gravity can shift out from over the feet very quickly. This isn't so much of a problem in a dedicated listening room, but in a living room system I would fear a clumsy guest bumping into the speaker or stand. Considering the heft of these marble cornocopias, not much would stop them (foot, cat, kid, floor, basement, etc.). I thought that the metal feet were cool looking, but they have a very low coefficient of friction which doesn't help stability. My host had rubber sleeves over the feet of his Marble 9.0s for this very reason -- they tend to slide on the nOrh stands. I suppose that Blutack might help. The best solution that I could think of would be to drill or route holes in the stand tops for the feet to sit down in.

In addition to the aesthetics and stability concerns, the fact remains that the Vandys take up far less space than either of the nOrhs by the time you include space for the stand. These marble hams are very deep front to back.

So, to sum up, the nOrh Mini 9.0 sounds fantastic. But, they're not for me because of 1) finish and 2) pragmatic concerns about toppling in an active living room. For me, I'd rather keep the Vandys and think more about upgrading my amplification. Later I'd look in to converting to slimmer floorstanding speakers in future (Meadowlark, Totem, Odyssey, other suggestions???). I say this despite the fact that I love the real marble finish. I'm kind of sad that I can't see it working out for me.

Guan

Mini 9.0 vs Tyler Linbrooks
« Reply #1 on: 24 Jun 2003, 02:25 am »
Thanks for the detailed review, Jack.

I own a pair of white Mini 9.0s and have used them for 7 months. But my wife and I are expecting our first child in September so  concerns about stability/safety (and upgradititis :P ) prompted me to splash out on Tyler Linbrook Signature speakers.

Just for the heck of it I brought out the Mini 9.0 for a listen over the weekend and was surprised at how vivid, musical and detailed it sounded. Bass was tuneful and it was throwing out voices very nicely indeed. The Linbrooks are more laid back and their upper range is not voiced as forward as the Mini 9.0. However, the Mini 9.0s forwardness can tip over to edginess with less well recorded material. The Linbrooks are smoother and very unfatiguing to listen to.

Of course the Linbrooks with their matching bass modules are capable of projecting much bigger scale, deeper bass and weight with better image height that is beyond the Mini 9.0s capabilities. Another strength of the Linbrook Monitor is the Seas Millenium tweeter. Cymbals have a lovely metallic shimmer that sounds more realistic than the ScanSpeak 9700 unit in the Mini 9.0. IMO the SS unit is just as detailed but it doesn't quite portray that metallic shimmer as well. Jay S and I heard the same thing with his Marble 9.0 in his system. Perhaps some Bybees will put that right, eh Jay? :wink:

Differences aside, the Mini 9.0 does extremely well considering the size and driver complement difference :!:  Matched with a good sub, I think it would be a close race indeed :o

Cheers,

Guan

Jay S

nOrh Mini 9.0 review & comparison to Marble 9.0 (long)
« Reply #2 on: 24 Jun 2003, 02:33 am »
I really liked the mini 9 in Guan's system.  I didn't notice the need for a sub.  I think that the best pick of the nOrh lineup is the mini 9 in black synthetic marble.  I think you can pay a bit more and get the leather baffle cover (which I think looks great).  

As for bybees, they definitely do help the treble in my system... and that's just with bybees in the AC, not in the signal path.  I am playing with a friend's Bolder Quantum Bybee power strip, which is upstream of my Blue Circle balanced power supply.  You can see my posts elsewhere but there are more low-level details that are coming through, which helps soundstage depth/layering, imaging, vocal nuances/inflections.  Bass is also tighter, voices seem purer, and the highs while having more energy are not forward.   :D

As a result, I have ordered a custom Bybee NITRO power cord (with bybees on both the Live and Neutral wires) from Wayne, which will connect my Blue Circle directly to the wall outlet, and reduce the number of connectors in the power path by half, while supplying bybee-filtered power to my entire audio system.

Jumpin

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nOrh Mini 9.0 review & comparison to Marble 9.0 (long)
« Reply #3 on: 24 Jun 2003, 12:25 pm »
JackStraw,
Thanks for the review.  Also, compliments to your music choices.  I'm off to see Bobby, Phil, Mickey, Bill and the boys tomorrow night in New Jersey.

Jumpin

JackStraw

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nOrh Mini 9.0 review & comparison to Marble 9.0 (long)
« Reply #4 on: 24 Jun 2003, 02:43 pm »
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JackStraw,
Thanks for the review.  Also, compliments to your music choices.  I'm off to see Bobby, Phil, Mickey, Bill and the boys tomorrow night in New Jersey.

Jumpin


Cool, enjoy the show. I thought about going down to the Columbia show, but things have just been too hectic. Shoot me a PM if you're interested in swapping (or even just getting) a few shows.

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« Reply #5 on: 24 Jun 2003, 08:02 pm »
Very nice review, Jackstraw.  You have a colorful way with description:
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Considering the heft of these marble cornocopias, not much would stop them (foot, cat, kid, floor, basement, etc.). I thought that the metal feet were cool looking, but they have a very low coefficient of friction which doesn't help stability.
  :lol:

Your perceptions of other speakers are not surprising as a Vandersteen owner.  By comparison, most other speakers would sound bright. The tradeoff is that Vandersteens seem to suppress the finer details, unless you move way up to their reference model 5.

Discounting Psychicanimal's viewpoint,  I believe that the B&W sonic signature tends to represent a less bright sound, followed by Dynaudio. Whether there is a model that meets your decor requirements is another matter.      

But if you are up for it, I think you have many choices that should work as tasteful decor in a living room and sound great too. However, it takes lots of legwork, patience, time, and a little $$$ to arrive at the right choice.

JackStraw

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nOrh Mini 9.0 review & comparison to Marble 9.0 (long)
« Reply #6 on: 24 Jun 2003, 11:10 pm »
Quote from: audiojerry
Very nice review, Jackstraw.  You have a colorful way with description

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But if you are up for it, I think you have many choices that should work as tasteful decor in a living room and sound great too. However, it takes lots of legwork, patience, time, and a little $$$ to arrive at the right choice.


Thanks for the kind words.

I like your comments about my decor requirements. The idea that I have in my head NOW is a pair of Omega TS3s (highpassed) sitting on a pair of Rava SE or ACI Force subs... maybe even tipped back on homebrew stands similar to the Mapleshade design that witchdoctor just picked up.

But, that won't work well with my Acurus, so now I have to figure out what amplification to move to. I see that as the weakest point in my system at this point anyway. It's fun to look and listen, isn't it???

JackStraw

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nOrh Mini 9.0 review & comparison to Marble 9.0 (long)
« Reply #7 on: 3 Jul 2003, 01:49 pm »
This saga continues...

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=3462

Nickel version is that the Meadowlark Kestrel2s meet my "decor requirements" and sound freaking fantastic.

thepogue

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good post Jack....
« Reply #8 on: 21 Jul 2003, 09:48 pm »
I'm the proud (yet cheap ;) owner of nOrh's 3.0's.... and I'm always very interested in others views. Thanks for the honest insight and well written review. Some day I'll get crazy and buy a set of 4.0's!! (used of course ;) until then I'll just keep listening to my Paradigm 100's, Kilpsch Chours II's, Energy Take 5's, nOrh's 3.0's and JBL L5 tower speakers (yeck)....It's a sicknees my friend...BTW you very far from the Tidewater area?

Peace, Pogue

JackStraw

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Re: good post Jack....
« Reply #9 on: 23 Jul 2003, 12:37 am »
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I'm the proud (yet cheap ;) owner of nOrh's 3.0's.... and I'm always very interested in others views. Thanks for the honest insight and well written review. Some day I'll get crazy and buy a set of 4.0's!! (used of course ;) until then I'll just keep listening to my Paradigm 100's, Kilpsch Chours II's, Energy Take 5's, nOrh's 3.0's and JBL L5 tower speakers (yeck)....It's a sicknees my friend...BTW you very far from the Tidewater area?

Peace, Pogue


Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad that you enjoyed it. I'm NE of Baltimore, but not for long. I'm moving to San Diego in late August.

I agree -- speakers are fun. I figure that one day I'll pick up a pair of 3.0 or 4.0 for a small room system. I'm sure that the marble versions are amazing looking.

Lastly, it looks like that guy in your avatar had better take it easy. Sheesh!!!

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