Van Alstine Ultra Preamp - Headphone Output

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elcaptain88

Van Alstine Ultra Preamp - Headphone Output
« on: 4 Feb 2006, 03:51 pm »
I don't read many posts on this forum commenting on the Van Alstine preamps' headhone section, so here is my not so humble opinion - its Outstanding!

I purchased an Ultra SL & received it in August 2005 and have been mightily impressed. I compared it in home to a Bryston BP-26 dealer demo and preferred the Ultra in my system. One of my criteria for a preamp was to try & find one with at least a halfway decent headphone jack, as I do about 1/3 of my listening at night with headphones. In my opinion, the Ultra's ouput is at least as good, and was often better than a number of standalone headphone amps as well. If you have one of Frank's preamps and don't use the headphone jack - do yourself a favor and get a good set & see what its capable of!  I've used many of the best Grados, Sennheisers, and Beyerdynamics - I've settled on the Grado SR225's, I think they offer everything the top of the line models do and are still a good value.

boead

Re: Van Alstine Ultra Preamp - Headphone Output
« Reply #1 on: 4 Feb 2006, 06:46 pm »
Quote from: elcaptain88
I don't read many posts on this forum commenting on the Van Alstine preamps' headhone section, so here is my not so humble opinion - its Outstanding!

I purchased an Ultra SL & received it in August 2005 and have been mightily impressed. I compared it in home to a Bryston BP-26 dealer demo and preferred the Ultra in my system. One of my criteria for a preamp was to try & find one with at least a halfway decent headphone jack, as I do about 1/3 of my listening at night with headphones. In my opinion, the U ...


I’ve recently compared my T7 SLR’s headphone section to several headphone amps. I had a Bryston Preamp prior with a headphone section which the AVA bests in many ways. The AVA also performs well compared to some Meta 42 headphone amps I’ve heard, an ASL SET tube headamp and a Grado R1 headphone amp (two 9v batteries) I’ve listened to recently. The T7 has a higher level of detail, somewhat larger sound stage but overall less bass then the others mentioned.
I then started using my Decware Select SET amp with a 100ohm resistor in line with my phones. The Selects shear level of detail is astonishing, but its lack of bass was significant compared to the T7 which was already lacking some robust bass (colorization) that was needed. Understand that my primary (and favorite) headphone is a Sennheiser HD-600. This headphone is already heavier on the bass side compared to many other popular headphones. They also have a larger soundstage then most headphones and certainly are on the darker side then most, especially a Grado.
I introduced an ASL UHD device to the Decware Select. It takes the speaker leads from any amp and converts the signal in a palatable way for headphones. The device has been recently discontinued and it’s a shame since it works very well (ASL said they just didn’t’ get much request for them). I traded off a little bit of detail and stage for some needed weight in the bass. A fair trade off, certainly. The Select SET amp with the UHD device still has more detail and a larger sound stage then the T7’s headphone section. I also listened to a SinglePoint MPX3 headphone amp (retails for over $1000) which has even more authority (slam) and weight then the Select amp with somewhat less detail that again, is a very fair trade off.

All this says a lot for the T7 SLR since the cost of the two devices that best its headphone section were over $1000 each.

My only negative comments about the T7 is that its sound is somewhat un-involving and not very musical. Compared to the Grado, for example, its is a lesser sounding amp then the T7’s headphone section but was still somewhat more musical. Not that I prefer the Grado but what’s disappointing about the T7 is its dullness, or just its lack of anything exciting. It does what it does well and adds no color. Many of you may feel that’s what you want and that’s what’s best but after listening to my headphones for quite a number of years, I feel a lack of robustness and musicality is what’s commonly missing in the HeadFi world. When its done right, its makes the listening experience much more enjoyable.

But take my comments with a gain, since I’m one of ‘them’ that can hear the differences in wires, cables and power cords. I think RadioShack IC’s and copper wire robs my system of a substantial amount of detail and overall quality. I have several pairs of RadioShack Golds, I use them in uncritical places and on lower-fi equipment. I’ve compare them to many brands that are commonly known here at the AVA forum too sell snake oil and love potions but can certainly hear the difference. So beware my comments because it’s likely I’m one of those in the overwhelming majority of this hobby that is inherently insane and just plain stupid.

robinje

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« Reply #2 on: 4 Feb 2006, 07:49 pm »
I am on the verge of ordering a new Ultra SL preamp, having had a demo from Frank himself yesterday.  I currently have a Ray Samuels Audio HR-2 ($875 new), which is a fine solid state stand-alone headphone amp with external power supply.  I use it with Grado RS-1's (32 ohms), but I previously used it with Sennheiser HD-650's (600 ohms) and it drives both cans easily.  I really like this unit, but I am hoping the Van Alstine headphone section is at least comparable if not better.  I foolishly did not demo the headphone section during my visit with Frank.  I was too impressed with the speaker sound that I forgot about anything else!Ultimately, I'd like to be able to sell off the HR-2 to help finance an Ultra power amp...  :)

Jim

avahifi

Van Alstine Ultra Preamp - Headphone Output
« Reply #3 on: 5 Feb 2006, 02:31 pm »
Hey Jim, bring the headphones back at try again, the Grados might work well in spite of their low impedance.  You can always listen on my Grado SR-225 models here too.

Frank

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Re: Van Alstine Ultra Preamp - Headphone Output
« Reply #4 on: 6 Feb 2006, 03:08 pm »
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But take my comments with a gain, since I’m one of ‘them’ that can hear the differences in wires, cables and power cords. I think RadioShack IC’s and copper wire robs my system of a substantial amount of detail and overall quality. I have several pairs of RadioShack Golds, I use them in uncritical places and on lower-fi equipment. I’ve compare them to many brands that are commonly known here at the AVA forum too sell snake oil and love potions but can certainly hear the difference. So beware my comments because it’s likely I’m one of those in the overwhelming majority of this hobby that is inherently insane and just plain stupid.


I'd be interested to know what you think of cables from Blue Jeans Cable, if you ever get a chance to try them. They are better quality than the Shadio Rack level of stuff, and by "better" I mean from a solid objective standpoint. I'd actually say they're better quality than most of the "hi-end" wire I've seen. (Those Canare RCA plugs are some of the best around, and they match them up with the correct Belden wire, which is also high quality. They crimp the RCAs on with Canare tooling, so there are no extra solder joints.)

Good stuff! :)

skrivis

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Van Alstine Ultra Preamp - Headphone Output
« Reply #5 on: 6 Feb 2006, 03:11 pm »
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Hey Jim, bring the headphones back at try again, the Grados might work well in spite of their low impedance.  You can always listen on my Grado SR-225 models here too.

Frank


There was also a little headphone switchbox in Audio Basics a while back that's easy to build and is similar to what Boead was doing with the resistors in series with the amp output. That might work better with these Grados.

ricmon

Re: Van Alstine Ultra Preamp - Headphone Output
« Reply #6 on: 6 Feb 2006, 05:35 pm »
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I'd be interested to know what you think of cables from Blue Jeans Cable, if you ever get a chance to try them. They are better quality than the Shadio Rack level of stuff, and by "better" I mean from a solid objective standpoint. I'd actually say they're better quality than most of the "hi-end" wire I've seen. (Those Canare RCA plugs are some of the best around, and they match them up with the correct Belden wire, which is also high quality. They crimp the RCAs on with Canare tooling, so there are no extra solder joints.)

Good stuff! :)

I just recently purchased a pair of bi-wired cables from Blue Jeans and removed them after 2 weeks.  I tried to make it through the break-in period but just couldn’t make.  The cables just did not deliver the music in the way I have become accustom to.  I am currently using cables from LAT International and they just don't do the same thing for my listing experience.  I have moved them into my midfi system for further break-in.  When I think sufficient time has passes I may give them a second chance.

avahifi

Van Alstine Ultra Preamp - Headphone Output
« Reply #7 on: 6 Feb 2006, 06:18 pm »
For what is is worth, probably not - - - - -

I have never seen anyone pick out any differences between any two sets of cables in a true double blind test unless one of the cables was of high capacitance (braided) design, which puts an excessive nasty load on the driving amp or preamp (very bad idea), or unless one of the cables was poorly shielded.

Frank Van Alstine

ricmon

Van Alstine Ultra Preamp - Headphone Output
« Reply #8 on: 6 Feb 2006, 06:55 pm »
Quote from: avahifi
For what is is worth, probably not - - - - -

I have never seen anyone pick out any differences between any two sets of cables in a true double blind test unless one of the cables was of high capacitance (braided) design, which puts an excessive nasty load on the driving amp or preamp (very bad idea), or unless one of the cables was poorly shielded.

Frank Van Alstine

This maybe true.  But the fact of the matter is there is a difference in the sound.  Now i can not speak to the science at work or not at work here.  And I was hoping that there would not be a difference but simply put there is.

boead

Re: Van Alstine Ultra Preamp - Headphone Output
« Reply #9 on: 6 Feb 2006, 07:57 pm »
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I just recently purchased a pair of bi-wired cables from Blue Jeans and removed them after 2 weeks.  I tried to make it through the break-in period but just couldn’t make.  The cables just did not deliver the music in the way I have become accustom to.  I am currently using cables from LAT International and they just don't do the same thing for my listing experience.  I have moved them into my midfi system for further break-in.  When I think sufficient time has passes I may give them a second chance.

I have a couple of older pairs of LAT IC200’s that are real nice. I find them to be nicely weighted, that is good bass that’s not muddy. I replaced them some time ago with MIT S3 IC’s after listening to lots and lots of different IC’s at all different price points, even made some of my own but the MIT’s are my favorite. They do everything well and there is certainly a house sound to their cables that I like. Still, I kept the LATs because I like them too.