Chicago Audio Fest; David Ellis

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gonefishin

Chicago Audio Fest; David Ellis
« on: 16 Oct 2005, 01:41 am »
David,

    thanks so much for putting together the Chicago event.  I know this had to be alot of work, with some screwballs thrown your way.  But everything seemd to go forward without any apparant problems.

   thanks so much for your time and effort!

   dan

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Chicago Audio Fest; David Ellis
« Reply #1 on: 16 Oct 2005, 05:37 pm »
Hey Dan, nice to see you again at the audio show.  
Dave really pulled it together.  From the description of the rooms of the former hotel I think we did better at the Hyatt.  THANKS DAVE!!

I know this was supposed to be the Iowa DIY event, but I sure hope there is another Chicago Audiofest in 2006.

Al Garay

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« Reply #2 on: 18 Oct 2005, 03:03 am »
Could we have an open discussion from those who attended the Chicago Audiofest comparing the attributes of the speakers auditioned?

This was a rare event to bring top-notch designs as well as top-notch designers (Phil, Jim and Dave) together in one location.  Thus far, comments have been politely grateful.  It's time for some open critique of BESL (Phil Bamberg) System 5 versus Jim Salk's Veracity HT3 versus ... well I wish Dave Ellis had his 3-way in prototype form... It would have been great to have SL Orion there as well to compare the active systems.

thanks,

Al

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« Reply #3 on: 18 Oct 2005, 03:58 pm »
The Chicago Audio fest.  
Many thanks to Dave Ellis and Jim Salk for getting this together and making it happen.  The one-day event was set up to have a DIY “competition” in three categories where drivers and xo totaled: <$250, 251-500, and unlimited (boxes extra).  This was held in one of the conference rooms on the mail level.  There were also three rooms upstairs.  They were Salk Sound. BESL and a room of three enthusiastic DIYers.

When I got to the third floor there was a sign pointing to the rooms.  I picked and arrow and followed it.  By chance it was Jim Salk’s room.  www.salksound.com
He had just hooked everything up and had some music playing.  We talked a bit, introduced ourselves and I listened to some music.  Jim stepped out for about 15 minuets so I had the room to my self.  It sounded great as is and about an hour later he calibrated the DEQX unit to the room.  It made a significant difference to the bass.

Jim was using a Denon player into the DEQX into an ATI amp triamping the HT3’s.  He also used a Sony changer into (I think) a LINN DAC into a VanAlstine pre into a Bryston 4B (I think) into the passive xo’s of the HT3’s.  Either way the sound was very articulate, clear and had great balance from top to bottom.  Especially in the bass with room correction.

The G2 ribbon offers an airy presence to the treble, never becoming fatiguing.  It made cymbals shimmer into thin air.  I am used to a bit warmer (colored?) midrange than what I heard with the W18EX.  I will be listening to it in my room when I audition a pair of HT1’s.  The bass was tight and never got in the way of the rest of the speaker.  Jim said the HT3 will get to the mid 20’s in room.  The sound was balanced and very cohesive.  Dennis Murphy is an excellent xo designer.  The passive vs. active was so very close.  I don’t believe the difference was “worth” it unless you can afford to go all the way, IMO.

I listened to the EXT’s that utilizes a different tweeter and two Extremis drivers in an MTM arrangement.  I liked this cabinet almost as much as the HT3.  It is just a bit taller and narrower than the 3’s.


The DIY room.  (Sorry, I don’t remember their names) had a 5.1 set up of diy speakers.  They had the Outlaw 750 preamp and Outlaw 5 channel amp fed by a Denon 2200.  They even had a projector pointed at the wall for DVD-A navigation.  These guys were having lots of fun with a 5.1 system that sounded real good.  They had a monster center channel and a 15” Dayton sub in a large box as well.

The BESL room was hosted by Phil Bamburg along with Jackman.  Nice to finally meet you Phil and Jack.  http://www.bamberglab.com/index.shtml
Phil had his Series 5 MTM system set up with custom matching subs.  He was driving the system actively with an Onix CD-2 as transport to a Behringer DCX-2496 doing room equalization and DAC into the Emotiva “Big Dog”  7 channel amp.  That Onix/Emo stuff is very attractive.  Mark sure knows how to design very nice looking equipment.  They also had the big dog pre/pro, but I didn’t get a chance to hear it.  The midrange was top notch with the Seas W-18 mids.  I found the Seas Millennium tweeter to be a little too hot for my tastes.


Throughout the day Dave Ellis ran various speaker auditions from DIYers in the conference room.  He had a pair of 1801F that were used throughout the day.  We did some cable swaps and some amp swaps and some CD player swaps, etc.

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« Reply #4 on: 18 Oct 2005, 04:30 pm »
Hey Max,

It was great to meet you in person, along with Gone Fishing and some of my other on-line friends.  I'd also like to thank Dave Ellis and Jim Salk for putting this event together.  It was a lot of work and there were major issues to overcome because the original hotel almost threw a wrench into the whole mix.  

I am running out the door to catch a plane to sunny Florida (work) but will post some of my comments when I return.  One thing I'll say: people listen at much louder volume levels than I do at home!  At the risk of sounding like an old fogey (I'm not!!!), the spl levels were higher than my personal listening at home.  I could not believe the difference the speaker placement made to my sound.  Also, adding spikes also made a difference, though not as much as the placement.  

Lastly, I think the hotness you detected in the Series 5's was a product of the initial setup in the room.  Phil EQ'd them later in the day and they sounded good to me.  I told Phil if I liked the sound, I'd buy them and I wound up cutting a check (for full retail price) on Sunday.  Although I did not receive any discounts, I saved on delivery charges and Phil set them up in my home.  

I already told my wife that I'm due for an Audio get-together in my home to show off the new system (and the Squeezebox that I'm going to get, very soon) and to check out any gear people want to bring over.   It will probably be in late November or early December.  Will post the details as soon as I know.  

More than anything, it was a pleasure to hang our with Jim, Phil and Dave, along with the other audio DIY guys I have met through the years.  As much as I like evaluating gear, and listening to music, I really enjoy learning from the guys (there are NO girls in this hobby, unfortunately) who share similar interests.

Cheers, and Go Sox!

J

Al Garay

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« Reply #5 on: 18 Oct 2005, 08:04 pm »
This is the first I've heard of the 1803F. What is it? 1801b plus 10" woofer in floor standing cabinet?

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« Reply #6 on: 18 Oct 2005, 08:18 pm »


It is a floor standing version of the 1801.  Two way, no woofer.

edit:  I ment to say 1801F in the earlier post.

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« Reply #7 on: 18 Oct 2005, 09:34 pm »
Thanks Dave I think you did a great job on the chicago Audiofest.