Ellis' 1801's vs. Tyler Taylo Reference's

LadyDog · « **on:** 10 Oct 2005, 03:56 pm »

Anybody compare Dave's 1801's to Ty's Taylo Reference? I realize both are excellent speakers and I will be more than happy with either, but curious to get your thoughts?

Speakers will be used in a combo 2 channel/ht setup. Thanks in advance for your time.

Regards,
Jeff

hubert · « **Reply #1 on:** 4 Nov 2005, 08:32 pm »

I don't like to see a thread without any reply,

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Anybody compare Dave's 1801's to Ty's Taylo Reference?

Sorry but...no

LadyDog · « **Reply #2 on:** 4 Nov 2005, 09:09 pm »

Thanks anyway Hubert.

Regards,
Jeff

hubert · « **Reply #3 on:** 4 Nov 2005, 10:20 pm »

Jeff,

even if nobody can help with a listening comparison, maybe technical comparisons could, at least regarding the tech-spec on the TT site:
-TTR: 88db/w/m
Ellis: 84 to 85 db
It's to say that, if 88db is the real efficiency of the TTR, the TTR has obligatory less bass/sub-bass than the Ellis and need a subwoofer that Ellis don't need. Baffle-step compensation isn't sufficiant on the TTR. This fact is physically obvious.
-TTR: port on front baffle
Ellis: port on rear baffle
Mid-frequencies leaving the port are more going to affect those comming from the driver on the TTR in an "out of phase" way; this will perturb the timbres of the instruments/voices.
-TTR: in a first view, a relatively "common" scan-speak 1" tweeter
Ellis: a 3/4"hiquphon tweeter
I had a scan-speak 1" revelator (top of the range): this tweeter, even if very good, isn't as linear, particularly in the upper-treble than the hiquphon; the of-axis responce of the Ellis is perfect, assuming a perfect image and soundstage. I cannot comment on this issue about the TTR.
-TTR: hovland caps (at best)
Ellis: sonicaps
sonicaps are better stuff, allowing very good transparency and amount of details.
I could continue with the "rock-solid" enclosure of the Ellis etc, etc...
IMHO, these two speakers don't battle on the same quality range at least in term of technology; so if I helped...
Sorry for my bad english, don't laugh, rez

laughs at it enough

tybee · « **Reply #4 on:** 5 Nov 2005, 01:12 am »

I own a pair of 1801s, and I have driven them with various amps including Smart Devices 2 X 150 VT Hybrid, a 150 watt tube/mosfet amp. If you attended 2005 CES, Ty's Taylo Reference were paired with the Smart Devices 2 X 150 VT Hybrid in a small room. Since I was listening to the Ellis/Smart combo at home, I spent alittle extra time listening to the Tylers. Keep in mind that reviewers have labelled the Smart amp as having that mosfet mist or alittle soft when compared with today's ultra detailed fad. I found the Ellis 1801s were still able to deliver better detail with the Smart than the Tylers. I liked the Smart better with the 1801s than the Tylers, but the Tylers are good speakers so listener taste will be the ultimate decsion maker. My 1801s were built by Darren Thomas in walnut. Tyler speakers are also well made cosmetically. I believe the crossover and tweeter will settle the score between this match so the edge goes to 1801.

By the way, I will be selling the 1801s and Smart in the near future as I have gone over to the small amp/single driver camp.

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #5 on:** 5 Nov 2005, 01:56 am »

Perhaps Ty changed out components when I saw him at 2005 CES, but his reference system (first room as you entered his suite) was driven by all-tube Jolida Envoy system when I was there.

I'm not a big fan of tube amplification, but it sounded pleaeant for the 20 minutes I spent talking to him.

Both Ellis and Tyler products have a pretty fanatical following on AudioReview.com. Loads of info there on both.

Good luck on your choice

tybee · « **Reply #6 on:** 5 Nov 2005, 02:17 am »

Chairguy,

Let me say that I am not trying to start a debate over what is better. As we know, the listener must ultimately make a choice what sounds best to them. Let me also say, that I think very highly of the vendors on this site. I wish Tyler was here; he makes very good products! I consider Dave Ellis, Ed Schilling, Bill Baker, Nathan Loyer, and Bill O'Connell of EE personal friends, because I have talked with each of them on several occasions. These gentlemen represent what is right in the higher end community to me. When I make a buying decision, I consider these guys first! They offer advice which often does not end in a sale to them. I wish their intregrity were more prevalent throughout the audio community. AC should be proud that we have good vendors; let's support them.

TheChairGuy · « **Reply #7 on:** 5 Nov 2005, 06:42 pm »

No debate Tybee......Ty/Tyler Acoustics would probably make a nice addition to Audio Circle.

It's good value gear and (primarily, at least) sold direct to consumers. That's pretty much a starting point for vendors here

Marbles · « **Reply #8 on:** 5 Nov 2005, 07:00 pm »

Quote from: tybee

Chairguy,

Let me say that I am not trying to start a debate over what is better. As we know, the listener must ultimately make a choice what sounds best to them. Let me also say, that I think very highly of the vendors on this site. I wish Tyler was here; he makes very good products! I consider Dave Ellis, Ed Schilling, Bill Baker, Nathan Loyer, and Bill O'Connell of EE personal friends, because I have talked with each of them on several occasions. These gentlemen represent what is right in the highe ...

I spoke to Ty about 2 years ago to gage his level of interest in having a circle here. He didn't think he would have time to devote to a circle at that time, and I haven't communicated with him since.

I also think he would make a fine manufacturer to have here.

brj · « **Reply #9 on:** 5 Nov 2005, 07:24 pm »

I know virtually nothing of Tyler Acoustics, but if Tyler is approached and still doesn't think he'll have time to support a manufacturer's circle, an owner's circle might be a place to start if there are enough Tyler speaker owners to keep it active. A quick search through AC on "Tyler Acoustics" shows 6 pages worth of results, many of which seem to reference Tyler owners.

A couple of the owners' circle have more activity than several of the manufacturers' circles, and some of the manufacturers "honored" with an owner's circle end up participating very actively. (I think James Tanner of Bryston wins the first place award in that regard.) An owner's circle could always be transitioned to a manufacturer's circle later...

Edit: Oops! I just realized that this thread was in the "Ellis Audio" circle, in which case this offshoot of the original thread is probably inappropriate. Dave, my apologies for that... if you want to split off this part of the thread, please feel free to do so!

byteme · « **Reply #10 on:** 5 Nov 2005, 11:34 pm »

I'd really like to see an owners circle for his gear here. When I was looking for speakers two years ago there was precious little info about the Tyler speakers. Finding someone you could talk to directly about them was nearly impossible. There was slightly more info available about the Lorelei's and I was able to hear them in person. Between that and my prior relationship with Klaus I went that way but it was pretty much a toss up for quite a while.

A place here for owners to post their impression would be great.

Marbles · « **Reply #11 on:** 5 Nov 2005, 11:39 pm »

If you want one, just start a poll in Town Square.