USB Cable length

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Graz999

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USB Cable length
« on: 13 Aug 2024, 03:28 pm »
Whats the longest anyone is using for USB from computer to DAC...mine is 2x 5m with passive repeater, then a better quality 1m to the DAC - dont suffer any dropouts but wonder how much better a short run would be!

navi

Re: USB Cable length
« Reply #1 on: 15 Aug 2024, 11:07 am »
I had a USB to Ethernet back to USB again once.
I ran 16 metres. No drop outs.
https://www.lindy.com.au/50m-cat5-usb-2-0-extender-power-over-cat5

Will you hear a difference using a shorter cable? I don't know. I couldn't.

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Re: USB Cable length
« Reply #2 on: 15 Aug 2024, 01:51 pm »
You CAN do that, but why do you need to? Using Google remote desktop on your phone/tablet you can literally control a PC from anywhere. Set your laptop close and just use another device to control it. If you are playing files off a PC in another room, why not just pick up a little MS6 streamer from HAL and play off that? Again use remote desktop to control as a headless unit (no monitor necessary). I am genuinely curious though, what is your setup like that necessitates 30' of usb cable?
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Re: USB Cable length
« Reply #3 on: 15 Aug 2024, 03:52 pm »
The USB audio standard transmits an analog step signal over the USB cable that is then reconstructed into a digital signal by the USB receiving chip in the DAC. This is different from the USB mass storage signal that incorporates error correction. The USB audio standard relies on the endpoint (the DAC in most cases) to reconstruct the data of the analogue step signal into 0s and 1s in real time with no capacity to re-check or correct a garbled signal (as would be the case with moving data over USB to a hard drive). The USB Audio standard is over 130 pages, so this is just a simplification to point out that USB Audio is not moving as 0s and 1s with error correction, so the quality of the signal can be affected by cable length, noise on the 5v line in the cable, external RF interference, cable geometry, and the quality of the USB receiver chip in the DAC.

 Below is an image of the degradation in the USB audio analog step signal moving through a USB cable. What goes in is not what comes out. If the audio system is highly resolving and well setup, then critical listening can and does reveal differences in USB cables and in the quality of USB receiver chips in the DAC. This means it is something that each person will need to evaluate for himself. There's no wrong answer, but it is a real variable that will make a difference for valid reasons, depending on the listener and setup.