Monster gone problems gone...

Florian · « **on:** 4 Mar 2005, 05:51 pm »

My new cables arived today. And man are they awsome......

The difference is huge, its so holographic and the bass is so tunefull. The whole thing is amazing. But guess what !!

When i first had my Maggies and my NAD pre amp i had huge problems untill i found out that the outputs from the Krell are labeled wrong. So when the new cables came in i hooked the + to the - and the - to the + cause i thought the Krell was labeld wrong.,

Lol, all this time the Monster cables (M1000 190$!!!) were labeld wrong. The Krell is correct and so are the Audioquest.

Those idiots at monster labeld it wrong.....never again

ctviggen · « **Reply #1 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 05:56 pm »

I'm not sure I understand. Your Monster cables are labeled wrong? I actually reverse my cables because my amp inverts phase. I always wanted to do a test where I played a song, then switched phase and played the song again. Supposedly, it's hard to hear a phase change like that.

Florian · « **Reply #2 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 06:09 pm »

I hear a pahse change no problem. OK here is the breakdown

1. Krell came
2. Maggie came
3. Borrowed a NAD
4. Jolida came

I hooked everything up just like labeld. And the sound was horrible, no center stage and all sounded big and fuzzy.

I thought it was the NAD but when my Jolida came it did the same thing.

Then i inverted the phase on the Krell and all my problems were gone. Ever since then i thought that the Krell was labeld wrong. But then the Audioquest came and i hooked up all stuff phase inverted since thats how i usually do it.

But it sounded bad, and i put it all like its supposed to be and see there the Jolida is fine, the Krell is fine and all this time the Monster cables were labeld wrong.

-Flo

ted_b · « **Reply #3 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 06:17 pm »

Are you saying the Monster cables had red at one end of a single run and black at the other? That's the only way they'd be "wrong"....phase is relative. Just hooking up both ends wrong is fine. Also, adding any new components, especially amps and pre's can easily invert phase. Most tube pre's and some dacs invert phase. And many recordings have some or all of their mics wired wrong. It's not black and white. I used to worry about it, now I try and listen, and if it's obvious, it's obvious.

Worthless audio tip No. 347:
Note: an interesting thing about reversing speaker cable leads at the amp end (the easiest way to invert phase): When you do that, and hear a difference, the theory is that you are hearing the phase change (better or worse localization of mono signal in center postion, etc.). However, realize also that you are now asking the incoming electron traffic to go out, and the outgoing traffic to come in. Many will tell you that cabling is directional, especially well-broken in cable, and some of the audio changes are due to this.

Ted

Florian · « **Reply #4 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 06:39 pm »

The Mosnter cables are not labeld wrong, they are twisted in the inside. Ill post a picture. All my equipment is "in phase"...the only thing thats not is the monster.....well not anymore.

-Flo

John Casler · « **Reply #5 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 07:21 pm »

Florian,

Glad to hear it is getting better still, even at this early stage.

In 90 days (after 3 months of tweaking) you will really appreciate what you now have.

Did you get any pics of the new cables? I haven't seen the new SLATE speaker cable.

Florian · « **Reply #6 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 07:41 pm »

Everything sounds wonderfull exept for the bass thing. I have trouble getting that right or trying to find a starting position where to start tweaking.

Here are some pics

nathanm · « **Reply #7 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 08:19 pm »

VMPS: Shouldn't the binding post location be in the center of the mounting plate so that the upper cable isn't hanging at an awkward angle like that? Seems like if spades are used you have to go in from the top instead of the bottom which puts a kink in the cable. Er, wait spades MUST be used I forgot...the misleading banana hole which isn't a banana hole...

Florian: Monster Cable is twisted on the inside? Do you mean the cable itself or the people running the company?

ctviggen · « **Reply #8 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 08:36 pm »

It would be nice if the binding posts were closer. I had to cut all of my cables. Hmmm....I wonder if I'm inverted in phase? My amplifier says that it's "phase inverted," but I wonder if that's internal to the amp? I've been switching phase through the speaker cable, but perhaps I don't have to do that. I'm going to have to switch the phase to see what happens.

Florian · « **Reply #9 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 08:51 pm »

Quote from: nathanm

Florian: Monster Cable is twisted on the inside? Do you mean the cable itself or the people running the company?

Both

ted_b · « **Reply #10 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 09:03 pm »

Wow, so your Monster speaker cable is like their version of a null modem (crossover) cable! What a pain. That had to drive you crazy!

This hobby is tough enough, let alone Noel and the boys f^%&in with your mind. He must've built those while he was distracted trying to destroy little kids' ski apparel companies.

Ted

Florian · « **Reply #11 on:** 4 Mar 2005, 09:11 pm »

Yes must have. It drove me nuts since i had to try 2 pre amps and positioning like crazy before changig the phase on the Krell. And now i find out that all my equipment is correct and that those darn cables are the problem. Ill never buy that again!!!