Help a Newb? Upgrade/Modify a Tube Amp Power Supply

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poisedforflight

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Help a Newb? Upgrade/Modify a Tube Amp Power Supply
« on: 13 Sep 2016, 09:52 pm »
I recently procured a Jolida SJ-502a integrated tube amplifier for next to nothing and I want to use it to regain my soldering skills and to learn some things about tube amplifiers.  I'm thinking about turning it into a straight power amplifier and building a separate pre-amp for it.

As most of the components in this amp are original and at least 15 years old I figured I would replace them all and modify with any reasonable suggestions I can find. I am going to start with the Power Supply section and then move to the pre-amp and amplifier sections.

Jolida SJ-502a Schematic: http://www.drtube.com/schematics/jolida/sj-502a.gif

For VD1-4: I'm thinking about using UF4007 diodes. I've read a decent amount about using F.R.E.D. diodes instead but many people seem to think that the UF4007 diodes are fine. Any suggestions or feedback here?

For C0 and C9, is there any benefit to increase the capacitance here? Same question for C10/11.

For R23/24 I'm looking at using Vishay/Dale Wirewound 1% resistors, specifically these: Datasheet - http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/427/rsns-226497.pdf

Is 1% tolerance over-kill? There is a similar VD WW resistor with a 5% tolerance for about half the price.

I don't want to overload so I'll follow-up on some of the other components in a separate post. I hope that I've come to the right place to beg for this level of help...thanks in advance for any you can provide.
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Re: Help a Newb? Upgrade/Modify a Jolida 502a Power Supply
« Reply #1 on: 13 Sep 2016, 11:49 pm »
You might want to reach out to Bill Baker of Response Audio in New York.  He was one of the original Jolida dealers in this country and spent many years selling and modding/upgrading Jolida products from that line until moving on to building his own line of products.  See if you can pick his brain about the most effective changes.  If so it might save you a lot of trial and error plus cost in parts.

http://www.responseaudiony.com/home.html

poisedforflight

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Re: Help a Newb? Upgrade/Modify a Tube Amp Power Supply
« Reply #2 on: 14 Sep 2016, 12:11 am »
Thanks, I actually did that earlier.  I've spent the last couple of weeks reading everything I could from Bill Baker, Dave Ellis and anyone else I could who'd written about the Jolida 302/502 amps.  I'm hoping I can get either or both of those guys to give me some advice. 

Other than the folks who replaced the 1N4007 diodes with HEXFRED or other Fast Recovery diodes I haven't been able to find any other info regarding possible power supply upgrades.  I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to use something like a Fairchild Stealth/Stealth II or just use UF4007's in the rectifier bridge.

Fairchild UF4007 Data Sheet - https://www.fairchildsemi.com/datasheets/UF/UF4007.pdf

Fairchild Stealth II 8A/600V Data Sheet - https://www.fairchildsemi.com/datasheets/FF/FFP15S60S.pdf

I'm not sure if those are the right FRED's or not, the original UF4007's are only rated at 1 amp but people seem to be using 15/16 amp FREDs in some old forum threads I've found.

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Re: Help a Newb? Upgrade/Modify a Tube Amp Power Supply
« Reply #3 on: 14 Sep 2016, 09:19 pm »
Generally....

I recommend doing 1 project in isolation, then listening or measuring for results.  I don't always do this, and occasionally get overzealous.  Zeal can cause problems.  If you can manage to do 1 item or area this will allow you to assess if there was a benefit from that particular operation. Also, if you accidentally CAUSE a problem it's much easier to find - aka reversing a diode can be a big oops and has been done previously  :oops: .

So, I think that diodes are a good 1st step and I did hear a minor improvement when I did this in isolation in my Jolida 302b.  I think that any better quality diode is worth the effort.  Diodes are relatively inexpensive, even the good stuff, so I suggest using them. 

I never replaced C0 or C9 (Per your schematic).  I didn't have C7 or C12 installed (as in your schematic), so I added a bypass filter capacitor(s) in this location.  I didn't accomplish this task in isolation, so I can't convey the individual impact.

Resistors... Once upon a time I did a comparison between Eagle Wirewound, Mills Wirewound and... Ohmite ( I think ).  They all had about the same voltage and current ratings and were all about the same physical size.  I installed them behind a tweeter and listened.  There was VERY little difference between them.  Maybe the Mills resistor sounded better, and maybe the Eagle resistor sounded "worse", but... they were all very close.  I decided to use the Mills resistor because I didn't want to memorize the color coded rings on the Eagle resistors, and I didn't want my customers making a mistake with the color coded rings.  So... I used Mills.

More on Resistors.... several years after my initial test I did a comparison between the larger Mills MRA-12 (12 watt) and MRA-5 (5 watt) resistors.  This swap was mildly audible and I immediately switched to using the smaller 5 watt resistors in all of my kits.  The impact wasn't huge, but I thought it was mildly audible.  The smaller wire-wound Mills resistor sounded better - at least to my ears.  I never performed this comparison with a blindfolded friend, so it is simply my opinion.

In my opinion...

"The single most important, valuable component that any hifi enthusiast can and should modify in their hifi system are the coupling capacitors in their tube amps/circuits !"  Dave Ellis .   Nothing will approach the value that upgraded coupling caps will have in a tube circuit (tube, preamp, or power amp).  When I first did this in my Anthem CD player I thought it was broken, then.... oh my... the music  :) :) .

So... the reason I sold my Jolida 302b was its El34 appetite.  My 302b would eat a  Svetlana "C" logo tube about ever 3-4 months, and it just became tedious.  My accountant really wasn't happy with the cost of replacing vacuum tubes  :nono:. The AVA Ultimate 70 sounded better in the midrange and highs, and was vastly more reliable (Tube rectifier  :) ).  So.... my 302b was sold.

IF your Jolida 502 seems reliable and you are willing to live with it... the $ on coupling caps C1, C3, and C4 could be mild... Perhaps this might include a Sonicap Gen I or Auricap. Or you could go Mundorf Silver & Oil or perhaps Jupiter.  I never have tried the Jupiter HT capacitors, but they sure seem appealing.  The Mundorf Silver/Oil are darn fine capacitors.  The Sonicap Platinum capacitors are becoming rare and expensive.  if you decide on the better capacitors, the cost will be about $200 for just the capacitors.  This is kinda painful, but if the amplifier is a keeper then it's money well spent - in my opinion.

http://www.humblehomemadehifi.com/Cap.html

/// Also, 1% tolerance is fine.

Hopefully this helps