Need a low budget amp with XLR/Balanced inputs, looking to build not buy.

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patricksalter

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I've recently had something come up where I need to power some speakers from an audio interface using Balanced XLR outputs.  I already have speakers that will do a perfect job for this task, but I need an amp to drive the speakers.  I have already ordered a couple of the TDA7297 based amps, and already have some of the capacitors to to upgrade them.  But I'm not sure this plan will work, because I was just thinking I would use an XLR - RCA cable to connect them.  However, something tells me I'm in for a world of hurt, dealing with hums, level issues, etc.  So, I would like to start looking into a plan B.  My needs are pretty straight forward for this amp: Balanced XLR input.  Mono is preferable if the price is low enough.  I'd love to be able to drive them off of batteries but that's not a requirement.  Trying to keep the budget ultra low, as this would be a temporary solution, hence posting this to the Cheap and Cheerful circle.   

I should also say that if somebody knows that a simple adapter from XLR to RCA to connect the source to the amp without issue, that would be ideal, as I've already ordered the amps. 

Thanks in advance. 

Patrick

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I would be more worried about level issues than hum. However, the audio interface's routing software may be able to set the output to consumer level "-10 dbV". I know that my RME FireFace can do this with the TotalMix FX software.

For the balanced XLR output to unbalanced RCA input, I doubt you can get any common-mode noise rejection unless you use a pricey transformer on the RCA input side.

For cables, Benchmark Media recommends a shielded twisted-pair cable with XLR-female (pin 3 floating) to RCA.  I don't exactly know if/how this works better than an XLR to RCA adapter on the output side and using a regular RCA coaxial interconnect. Maybe someone else could chime in.

An alternate amplifier board would be a TPA3116 in BTL mode. There are some red boards on eBay from China for < $10. These boards have +/-/GND input connections. I don't think any of the Parts Express TPA3116 boards are configured this way, but maybe they could be modified if you are willing to look at datasheets and do some soldering.

patricksalter

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Hi CurtisIIX, thanks for the feedback, very helpful.  The audio interface is an Apogee Ensemble Thunderbolt (I should have mentioned that).  It can output  +4dBu or -10 dbV, which makes me think my original plan, based on your feedback, may actually work. 

As far as looking at datasheets and soldering, that's exactly what I want to be doing.  Being stuck at home thanks to the pandemic, I'm all for the whole "roll up your sleeves and DIY" approach to this project. 

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If you are building an amplifier and it has a ±15V DC supply, all you need is a THAT Corp op-amp for a balanced input.

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If you are building an amplifier and it has a ±15V DC supply, all you need is a THAT Corp op-amp for a balanced input.

Indeed, I use the THAT1200 quite a bit. When properly implemented (per the datasheet), it is sonically transparent. I use Tom Christiansen's THATRX designs when he still had them (you can search on diyaudio to see if anybody is willing to sell the boards). Tom's current Universal Buffer is a completely new design using the latest SMD's, fully built and has multiple options. The Universal Buffer is the best measuring unit of this type I have ever seen and several fellas are astonished by its performance as well.

Ti Kan's AMB Alpha 24 boards are available for full diy builds as well. I also have those boards, and they are also excellent.

The documentation provided by both of these fellas are very well done. From a subjective standpoint, I find them to be sonically transparent compared to transformer implementations by Lundahl, Cinemag or Jensen.

http://www.thatcorp.com/datashts/THAT_1200-Series_Datasheet.pdf

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendor-s-bazaar/346956-universal-buffer-achieving-140-dbc-0-00001-thd.html

https://www.amb.org/audio/alpha24/

Best,
Anand.

patricksalter

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Thanks for the input guys.  I think Im going to go with the AMB's b24 build.  This seems like the perfect solution for me. 

Indeed, I use the THAT1200 quite a bit. When properly implemented (per the datasheet), it is sonically transparent. I use Tom Christiansen's THATRX designs when he still had them (you can search on diyaudio to see if anybody is willing to sell the boards). Tom's current Universal Buffer is a completely new design using the latest SMD's, fully built and has multiple options. The Universal Buffer is the best measuring unit of this type I have ever seen and several fellas are astonished by its performance as well.

Ti Kan's AMB Alpha 24 boards are available for full diy builds as well. I also have those boards, and they are also excellent.

The documentation provided by both of these fellas are very well done. From a subjective standpoint, I find them to be sonically transparent compared to transformer implementations by Lundahl, Cinemag or Jensen.

http://www.thatcorp.com/datashts/THAT_1200-Series_Datasheet.pdf

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendor-s-bazaar/346956-universal-buffer-achieving-140-dbc-0-00001-thd.html

https://www.amb.org/audio/alpha24/

Best,
Anand.