Converting AAC to WAV, downside?

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matevana

Converting AAC to WAV, downside?
« on: 20 Jan 2015, 06:59 pm »
Been pondering this for some time. Albums purchased from iTunes in MPEG-4 format (compressed lossless AAC) can seemingly be converted into uncompressed WAV format and burned to blank CD media. Assuming the  the original iTunes file came from a master of adequate quality (44.1/16), would there be an audible difference between the MPEG-4 -> WAV-> blank media vs. a store bought CD?

Objective: I'm looking to continue to use my beloved Rega CD player but not sacrifice the quality of the original recording. iTunes has the added advantage of being able to get the media right away and is sometimes less expensive than (new) store-bought CD's. 

Thanks!

srb

Re: Converting AAC to WAV, downside?
« Reply #1 on: 20 Jan 2015, 07:24 pm »
Unless I've missed some recent announcement, the majority of songs purchased from iTunes are 256kbps VBR compressed AAC lossy files, not compressed ALAC lossless.  Converting them to WAV will only result in a larger file of the same reduced quality, as will simply burning them to an audio CD without prior conversion.

I don't doubt iTunes will offer some kind of lossless format in the future for a slightly higher price.

Steve

matevana

Re: Converting AAC to WAV, downside?
« Reply #2 on: 20 Jan 2015, 08:05 pm »
Interesting!  I've only downloaded 1 album so far as a test, and it came as a .m4a file extension. When I viewed the audio properties in Windows it shows up as AAC compressed/lossless. This particular album did not sell at a premium ($9.99) but it does say "Mastered for iTunes". I was under the impression that was mostly just a certification step, where recording engineers are given a suite of editing tools to convert their master for distribution through iTunes, under this program. Perhaps you are right and the sample I downloaded is unusual. 

srb

Re: Converting AAC to WAV, downside?
« Reply #3 on: 20 Jan 2015, 08:25 pm »
The few songs I've purchased from iTunes do have an .m4a extension.

Viewing in iTunes:
  Bit Rate column = 256 kbps
  Kind column =  AAC audio file

Viewing in Windows 7 Properties > Detail tab:
  Audio Bit Rate = 256kbps
  Audio Encoding = AAC (LC)

Viewing in Windows 7 Properties > Audio Properties tab (dBpoweramp-enabled tab):
  Bit Rate = 256 kbps
  Encoder = AAC (LC)
  Audio Quality = Very High (Lossy)

Maybe you have something different that I am unaware even existed in the iTunes Store?  If you have have a 16/44.1 file in Apple Lossless (ALAC), then in iTunes the Bit Rate column would likely show somewhere between 500 and 800 kbps and the Kind column would say "Apple Lossless audio file" instead of "AAC audio file".
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Edit: Doing a little research on "Mastered for iTunes" I found:

"Apple touts its Mastered for iTunes tracks on the iTunes Store as “Music as the artist and sound engineer intended.”  Mastered for iTunes tracks are therefore supposed to sound better than tracks you rip from CDs.  The basic goal of Mastered for iTunes is to provide a direct downsampling of music from 24-bit, 96 kHz files to 256 kbps AAC files, rather than having a first downsampling to the CD format (16-bit, 44.1 kHz), then another conversion to AAC."

So it appears they are 256kbps compressed lossy AAC files with the elimination of an extra downsampling.  Better than tracks you rip from CDs?  Perhaps, if you are talking about ripping to AAC or MP3, but not as good as lossless rips to AIFF, ALAC, FLAC or WAV.

So I wouldn't expect audio CDs burned from these files to sound much different from the downloaded files, any differences being more attributable to the CD player's internal DAC vs. the file player's player software and DAC, or if using the player as transport only into the same DAC, any differences in the S/PDIF or USB interfaces and cabling.

But I would still expect lossless rips from CDs to sound a bit better.

Steve
« Last Edit: 21 Jan 2015, 12:34 am by srb »

matevana

Re: Converting AAC to WAV, downside?
« Reply #4 on: 20 Jan 2015, 10:30 pm »
Yes, I just downloaded a 2015 single and am seeing exactly what you describe above. Thank you for the research. I thought it sounded too good to be true :)

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Re: Converting AAC to WAV, downside?
« Reply #5 on: 20 Jan 2015, 11:59 pm »
.M4a is a container format.
Just like a real container you can put anything in it.
As the a says audio, the content could be AIFF (lossless), ALAC (lossless compression) or AAC (lossy compression by design).
Most of the time it is AAC
If it is downloaded from iTunes it is AAC as up to now iTunes don’t sell lossless formats.

Formats like MP3 or AAC are not limited to 16/44.
They simply analyze the whole audio and applies their lossy compression on the source regardless of the resolution.

A nice read: http://marlene-d.blogspot.nl/2013/11/mp3-and-other-hires-formats.html