Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600

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I have had the Behmor 1600 Roaster for about  9 months now, and roasted maybe 60-80 batches of 1/4 to 1 pounds, mostly 1/2 pound batches. This one comes from Sweet Maria's, who really supports this roaster with lots of good info.

This is a good roaster, gives very consistent results, and is pretty easy to use once you learn the basics.

So here is this brief review in case you are thinking about buying or upgrading to this roaster.

First, all roasting produces smoke. Second, you want to roast in an ambient temperature of no less than 50-60 degrees F. Third, coffee and its chaff can catch on fire, since you are roastng at over 400 degrees F, so you have to babysit the roasting process. All this means you will want to roast in a warm garage, or the kitchen with a vent hood. These are the facts of roasting coffee for freshness and optimum single-source flavor. The words of home roasters are "Brave the smoke!"

The Behmor does make life easier than many other roasters - it controls the rate and amount of smoke so you can get most of it up the vent hood. Yes you will smell the aroma of roasted coffee, but unless you do a lot of dark roasts, probably not too much more than frying fish or baking things, IF you have a good vent hood over the roaster. This means you will roast on the cook top, for about 25 minutes per batch. Roasting is about 12 minutes, cooling another 12 for 1/2 pound batch. You can walk away for a minute after you have cooled for a few minutes but you need to come back to it even then.

Most of the heavy smoke comes at the end of the roast cycle right as the cooling cycle begins. There is a catalytic converter that minimizes smoke, but at that point some smoke is visibly released into the air.

Coffee roasting produces smoke, and some oils are in the smoke, so you will need to maintain the roaster by cleaning it after every 3-5 roasts This may mean every 3-5 weeks or every week or every day if you are roasting a lot of coffee for Christmas gifts.

There is a self clean cycle you run every 3-5 cycles. Also you need to clean the glass and some surfaces with Simple Green or some other citrus cleaner. Particularly important are the sensor bolts on the right side of the interior, so you get proper temperature control.

Also you will need to occaisionally clean the exhaust fan which requires minor disassembly.

So, coffee roasting is not for everyone, but if you really like a great variety of fresh roasted coffee this roaster is worth the effort, compared to the two air roasters I have used. The air roasters were worth the effort, but more cumbersome, fragile, and harder to control.

This is a drum roaster: the drum is a chromed mesh metal cage which turns like a spit on a grill. It is probably a similar motor, although it can turn very fast during the cooling cycle. The drum sits inside a  unit like a toaster-oven, although it is more complex than a toaster-oven. I has three sensors and a silicone gasket. It also has a chaff tray to catch the papery chaff which floats around as you roast the beans. This tray makes clean up fairly easy with your small wet vac which you will use after every roast.

I have roasted 60-80 batches and i have only under-roasted a couple and over-roasted a couple. 1/2 pound is the optimum roast batch. You will need some practice, and yes this is somewhat of an art, like cooking.

Behmore warns you not to use extension cords, lest you do not get enough power to the roaster. And we all understand that concept don't we? This roaster is about the largest you would use in the home - it pulls up to 1600 watts.

Also Sweet Maria's  warns: "You can safely roast only 20 seconds into second crack. Darker roasts are possible - see the section on the Using the Behmor page called "Breakin' the Law" "

Roasting coffee is done primarily by ear - you listen for first crack (like popcorn) and second crack (like a bowl of rice krispies). Lighter roasts fall between the two, darker roasts approach very rapidly after second crack has begun. By the time first crack approaches you are smelling the roasted coffee smell. After first crack starts you have to be 100% focused on listening, because within 30 seconds you can have burned coffee.

A nice thing about this roaster is that you can add seconds to the roast if you know you need a little more time, or end the roast at any time, with just the push of a button. Seconds are crucial when roasting at home, because the difference between the perfect roast and a fire can be less than a minute!

Fires tend to be limited to inside the roaster, and are usually small flames of burning chaff, like burning small amounts of tissue paper. I have only had 2 small fires for just a few seconds. Opening the door only flames the fire so you basically just push the button for the cooling cycle and the flames will go out. The more beans and the darker the roast, the greater the possible fire if you do not manage your roast, so YMMV. A fire is not automatically the ruination of your darker roasts, but is not a normal thing. The key here is you are roasting inside, not on an outdoor grill, so you have to really manage that roast.

I tend to do the lighter roasts, stopping just as first crack ends. This is where you get the optimum flavor of the source. If you roast too dark, you lose the character of the source bean, and get into a more of a lowest common denominator of coffee flavor, more the flavor of dark roasted coffee, much less distinguishing between differnt types of coffee is possible. As the Sweet Maria's site says about roasting into second crack, "The roast character starts to eclipse the origin character of the beans at this point". There are some beans that you want to roast into second crack and beyond, but most coffees follow this rule. The thing i like about Sweet Maria's over the last ten years is that they go into great detail about every bean crop, every season, from every origin all over the world that you may buy from them, to give you insight into how to roast to get which flavors you like. Every bag of green beans you can roast is different from farm to farm, from year to year. Again, if you pick the right coffees, you can enjoy good dark roasted flavors. I just enjoy the multitude of subtle flavors you can typically get with lighter roasts. This, to me, is the whole point of roasting at home.

If you think you might consider this roaster or are just curious I would check out this page on sweet Maria's site with a very good little video illustrating the basic roasting and cleaning process:

http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.details-behmor.php


This is a $300 drum  roaster, and I expect to get many years out of it. If you want to get more serious, as in coffee shop serious, you can get a $500, $800, $1000 roaster from Sweet Maria's or other suppliers, on up to the huge commercial roasters.

If you also have this roaster, please feel free to add your comments!

roscoeiii

Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #1 on: 15 Mar 2012, 04:48 am »
Oh man. This review may finally get me to begin roasting. What piece of audio equipment can I sell to fund this coffee purchase????

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Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the BEHMOR 1600
« Reply #2 on: 15 Mar 2012, 05:40 am »
I recently started playing with coffee roasting using a hot air corn popper.  There is obviously no temperature control, so it is all about time.  The roast is not perfectly even either, but I kind of feel that a few lighter and darker beans add to the character, like a "blend" within the same variety.
 
I was looking at the Behmohr because I wanted to improve upon the maximum 1/4 lb. capacity that I have and gain a little more convenience and accuracy.  I'm a little disappointed to learn that 1/2 lb. is optimum as I was kind of hoping to be able to roast 1 lb. at a time for my $300 investment.
 
I'll look forward to any additional comments or tips anyone might for successfully using the Behmor for 1 lb. batches.
 
A few general comments:
 
-  Beacuse I live in Southern Arizona, outdoor roasting is possible most of the year, so I just carry the stuff out to the patio table and roast away without too much concern for smoke, chaff and fire.
 
-  The warning against using an extension cord is just because many people will use an inadequate 16 or 18 gauge common lamp extension cord, but if you use a proper 12 to 14 gauge cord, it's fine for most needed extension lengths (but I suppose could still be a problem for really long lengths).
 
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Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #3 on: 15 Mar 2012, 05:49 am »
Dude, this thread just reminded me, it's time to start roasting my own coffee again.  Spring in Denver, I can start roasting outside with the (sweet maria's recommended) popcorn roaster.  I envy jqp being able to roast a pound of coffee at a time!

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Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the BEHMOR 1600
« Reply #4 on: 15 Mar 2012, 06:10 am »
I recently started playing with coffee roasting using a hot air corn popper.  There is obviously no temperature control, so it is all about time.  The roast is not perfectly even either, but I kind of feel that a few lighter and darker beans add to the character, like a "blend" within the same variety.
 
I was looking at the Behmohr because I wanted to improve upon the maximum 1/4 lb. capacity that I have and gain a little more convenience and accuracy.  I'm a little disappointed to learn that 1/2 lb. is optimum as I was kind of hoping to be able to roast 1 lb. at a time for my $300 investment.
 
I'll look forward to any additional comments or tips anyone might for successfully using the Behmor for 1 lb. batches.
 
A few general comments:
 
-  Beacuse I live in Southern Arizona, outdoor roasting is possible most of the year, so I just carry the stuff out to the patio table and roast away without too much concern for smoke, chaff and fire.
 
-  The warning against using an extension cord is just because many people will use an inadequate 16 or 18 gauge common lamp extension cord, but if you use a proper 12 to 14 gauge cord, it's fine for most needed extension lengths (but I suppose could still be a problem for really long lengths).
 
Steve

I have roasted a couple of 1 lb batches - it is certainly possible. But it is harder to accurately do so for dark roasts because that is at the limit of the capabilities of this roaster - like I would bet it is hard to accurately roast 1/4 lb to a dark roast with your air roaster (I have). You can do it but it can really be hard to control.

The tips are basically 1) make sure you are getting the maximum power to the roaster - some houses or apartments just don't get enough. 2) make sure the sensors are really clean so the unit does not shut off the heating elements prematurely - you will need full heat to do a dark roast of 1 lb. Again there is more info on the Sweet Maria's site in the form of tips, tricks and "Breakin the Law" sections.

Bottom line is everyone agrees 1/2 is the optimum batch size, but you can certainly roast 1 lb., especially lighter roasts.

Also you will take more time roasting with this machine that an air roaster. An air roaster can do the job in 8 minutes (you are supposed to rest an air roaster for 20 minutes between batches though - no such requirement with the Behrmore because it has a cooling cycle) - this machine is 24 minutes for 1/2 lb. slightly more for 1 lb. The tradeoff is accuracy and consistency. If I wanted to roast several batches for friends I would want the Behmohr hands down.

AND...the hardest part is waiting the 48 hours before you get the optimum flavor from the coffee - a sad fact which requires roasting ahead of time! I use to brew right away, but most of the coffees really need to sit n an air tight container for 48 hours to get the best flavor.

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Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #5 on: 15 Mar 2012, 06:28 am »
I've been roasting with various poppers for about 20 years now, so you know what that is about.  But I taught a guy how to do it about five years ago, and he bought a behmore.  He's since roasted over 1500 lbs in this thing!  It looks like crap, and is modded all to hell.  The behmore principle lives in Incline Village, and my friend cozied up to him early on.  So he gets great support whenever he wants to change something or needs parts.  It's a great product.

Nick77

Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #6 on: 15 Mar 2012, 10:25 am »
I have been roasting with the Behmohr for about a year as well. Almost effortless compared to my previous popcorn setup. I find it roasts about 8-10oz best at full city+, i like to get into second crack for about 30-60 sec. I havent had to much success roasting a whole pound to a darker roast. I have been buying my greens locally mostly but for a treat i order from Sweetmaria's, they have the best greenies. :)

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Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #7 on: 15 Mar 2012, 02:39 pm »
I have a drum roaster as well.  You are making me think I should channel the exhaust into my grill.  Coffee smoked ribs anyone?

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Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #8 on: 17 Mar 2012, 04:02 am »
I don't have a Behmohr, but do have a drum roaster.  I also used to use a popper, but I got lazy and went to a drum.

There is a long thread on coffee geeks about roasting with a behmor, I think guys open the door after first crack, to try to extend the roast after 1st.  Ideally, you want to roast for about 3 mins past 1st for coffee, about 4 for espresso.

The other thing to consider is using an external cooler, you really want to cool the beans as fast as possible after stopping the roast.  I am using my old popper to cool my beans, really probably not ideal, but it does a reasonable job, and I have been too lazy to build a better one.

I just use a pair of oven mitts to grab the drum, and then dump them into my cooler.  Beans take a few mins to cool this way.

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Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #9 on: 17 Mar 2012, 03:55 pm »
Good to see there's some other roasters here as well  :thumb:

I've been using a Behmor for about the past two years.  Fantasic machine and easy to use once you figure out how all the weight, time, presets and profiles work together.  Got it as a birthday gift from my wife who knows I love to tinker with DIY audio and brew my own beer, so she figured this would be something else in which I'd be interested.  Gotta love her (she prefers Magnepan speakers to boot!).

Great write up, jqb.  Ditto on all you put down. I had never really tasted good, single-source beans at a lighter roast so that the real coffee flavors come through (drinking a nice full city Panama Finca La Camiseta from Sweet Marias right now).  My only previous reference had been Charbucks dark roast varieties. However, I have found that if I end up at City roast on some beans they have a green/grassy acidic bitterness that I don't care for, so I generally lean more towards the Full City/Full City+ end of the spectrum (just before second crack).

It did take a little practice figuring out the right roast times with Behmor and I think everyone will be different based on local ambient temps and power line conditions. 1-lb. roasts I've found a bit difficult and generally stick with 1/4 or 1/2 lb sizes.  Since I like to buy the sampler packs from Sweet Marias, this gives me the opportunity to try out a a few different roast levels with each 1-lb bag.  BTW - check out Sweet Maria's YouTube videos which include a couple runs using the Behmor with 1-lb roasts to prove it can be done.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IITBsLyVHRY

I tried using an extension cord (yes, heavy gauge) and found it lengthened the roast time too far beyond what I was expecting, making consistency difficult.  Also, I've found that my house voltage affects the roast time and now check that before any roast (easy to do with the readout on my PS Audio Power Plant, but I wouldn't get one just for that  :lol:).

Most of my roasting in the winter is done in the basement under an open window with a box fan blowing outside.  Spring, summer, fall I move outside to the patio or garage... temps permitting which they certainly are here in Detroit right now (70+ in March!!).

I've found a shop vac indespensible when roasting inside to capture the chaff after the roast is done and cooled.  When roasting outside, I usually leave the door open during the cooling cycle for a quicker cool down since it doesn't matter if the chaff flies all over.

Once you get your roasting figured out you can then turn your attention to proper brewing techniques.  I've just started using a Mocha Pot from Ikea with good results for 1 or 2 cups at a time, and I am now thinking about getting one of the Aeropress makers.  One more thing to obsess over  :D

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Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #10 on: 17 Mar 2012, 04:52 pm »
Oh man, is this thread finally going to get me roasting?

Krikor, the Aeropress is great. A former girlfriend had one and I thought it made excellent coffee. I am mostly an espresso head, so I really enjoyed the intensity. But I also think that it is superb for Americanos as well. What the Aeropress doesn't do as well as a decent espresso machine (I use a Gaggia Coffee) is the crema. You really have to dial in your pressing technique to get much of that, and even still, it will not be of the quality that a machine that can produce the required even pressure. For others thinking about espresso machines, Coffee Geek is an invaluable site. And be sure to get an espresso machine with a good pump rather than one that uses steam pressure.

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Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #11 on: 17 Mar 2012, 05:20 pm »
Aeropress is da bomb.  Great for a cup or 2, but if you have guests, you'll need something less labor intensive on a per/cup basis!

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Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #12 on: 17 Mar 2012, 05:49 pm »
Aeropress is da bomb.  Great for a cup or 2, but if you have guests, you'll need something less labor intensive on a per/cup basis!

I recently got a slow drip Chemex as a gift and works great for 3-4 cups at a time. I use a Aeropress or one cup drip for singles also.

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Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #13 on: 17 Mar 2012, 05:50 pm »
Slightly off topic, but also consider a good grinder.  It's basic for brewing good coffee. 
IMHO, it's kind of a waste to roast you own, if you don't have a reasonable grinder too.

I have a Vario at home, which is overkill for drip, but great if you are going to do espresso, but still want drip.  Baratza makes some cheaper grinders that also do a good job, but none are cheap.

Randy

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Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #14 on: 17 Mar 2012, 06:09 pm »
+1 on the grinder rec. A burr grinder will do great things for your coffee. I got a big ole metal KitchenAid grinder, which is a beauty to look at with its hourglass shape. Chose it due to construction quality, ability to do both espresso and french press grinds (not so common as you'd think) and the use of glass rather than plastic for bean and grind holders (plastic gets pretty stained and nasty lookin).

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Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #15 on: 17 Mar 2012, 06:29 pm »
Between the home roasting, the Aeropress, and my Kitchenaid Burr Grinder, I'd say the burr grinder is the single biggest improvement in the quality of the coffee for me.

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Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #16 on: 17 Mar 2012, 09:04 pm »
loved the behmor. I just coundnt handle the motors giving out way to quick.so im back to the i roast

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Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #17 on: 18 Feb 2014, 06:22 pm »
Resurrecting this topic to announce that I now have some holes in my Behmohr roasting basket - it is a cylindrical rotisserie basket made of open steel mesh. These mechanical devices do require maintenance of course, this almost seems like a defective or poorly designed basket.

What happens is that about 30-60 beans drop out of the basket during the roast due to some broken mesh - not the end of the world but a waste and annoying. Also the basket integrity is getting worse over time. I have already replaced the hinges which pulled off the wire with thick copper wire, and I have tweaked the basket with needle-nosed pliers. But everytime a loose piece of wire catches on the chaff catch pan it does more damage.

I see a new basket in my future - I have the old style and I see there is a new improved basket.

I have emailed Behmohr for support.

Anyone else having these issues?  ( Pics to follow later )

Nick77

Re: Serious Coffee Roasting: a review of the Behmohr 1600
« Reply #18 on: 18 Feb 2014, 06:28 pm »
Just did a roast just this morning, a nice brazil Fazenda Furnas from Sweet Maria's. Behmohr still going strong without any of the issues your speaking of. I did get two baskets, one of which is slightly tighter weave for smaller beans.

Sorry to hear about the issues.........

Edit: Oppps there is one issue, the fan cool down cycle no longer works. Keeps falling out of the bearing, i just stop roast before cool down.