Quick rip vs other rips, with "checks" and "verification"

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Russellc

Before I discovered there were choices, I have ripped a bunch of CDs using "Quick Rip"....is there any SONIC advantage to using the verification methods, assuming the CD ripped properly with quick rip?
Or is it just to make sure rip is proper if CD quality is questionable?

Thanks,

Russellc

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Re: Quick rip vs other rips, with "checks" and "verification"
« Reply #1 on: 15 Dec 2015, 03:23 pm »
The question is, how do you know the CD ripped properly ;)

Russellc

Re: Quick rip vs other rips, with "checks" and "verification"
« Reply #2 on: 16 Dec 2015, 01:01 am »
Good question...they play fine, otherwise problem would be obvious.  Just wondering if
there is an improvement doing it slower...guess I can try it both ways on a particular CD...

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Re: Quick rip vs other rips, with "checks" and "verification"
« Reply #3 on: 16 Dec 2015, 01:21 am »
A rip verified via AccurateRip to be error free means that you might have all of the original numbers from the CD to listen to. A rip without any form of verification means that you may be listening to guesses at the numbers. It might sound okay but it is no longer the original version of the music you purchased on the CD.
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Russellc

Re: Quick rip vs other rips, with "checks" and "verification"
« Reply #4 on: 16 Dec 2015, 01:40 am »
Got you.  Perhaps, since I only have about 25 CDs ripped, I will from time to time delete and re rip them properly just to make sure everything is there that can be.

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Re: Quick rip vs other rips, with "checks" and "verification"
« Reply #5 on: 16 Dec 2015, 03:32 am »
I would also rip all future CDs securely, a secure rip with, for example dBpoweramp, takes much longer due to error checking and error correction when compared to a quick and dirty rip.
If you acquire very many more CDs and quick rip them you will be spending just that much more time re-ripping them.
I use a burst rip only as a last resort when a used CD is so damaged that I cannot get a secure rip due to the massive number of uncorrectable errors that are present, I can at least play the music back as a WAV file when otherwise I wouldn't have it in my library.
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Re: Quick rip vs other rips, with "checks" and "verification"
« Reply #6 on: 16 Dec 2015, 10:04 am »
If I rember correctly: by default dbPoweramp does a fast rip.
This because most of the time CDs are read without a flaw.
Ii compares the rip against tha accuraterip database.
Is the rip is not correct, it re-rips but this time in en more severe mode.

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Re: Quick rip vs other rips, with "checks" and "verification"
« Reply #7 on: 16 Dec 2015, 11:35 am »
If I rember correctly: by default dbPoweramp does a fast rip.
This because most of the time CDs are read without a flaw.
Ii compares the rip against tha accuraterip database.
Is the rip is not correct, it re-rips but this time in en more severe mode.

Actually you have to select one or the other.  You can see in the screen print below (sorry it isn't larger).



What you're describing is similar to the secure rip process wherein tracks are re-ripped when neccesary to correct errors.  Its been my expereince that the secure rip is always at a slower speed then the burst rip.

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Re: Quick rip vs other rips, with "checks" and "verification"
« Reply #8 on: 16 Dec 2015, 12:20 pm »
Thanks

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Russellc

Re: Quick rip vs other rips, with "checks" and "verification"
« Reply #9 on: 16 Dec 2015, 04:38 pm »
Maybe I should try that software. I had a little trouble reripping a couple of CDs.  One, an older CD, has developed "Spots" on it that appear dark, but if you hold it up to the light they are actually transparent.  I have seen other CDs from the early days do this, some to the point of not playing.  I corrected them by burning a copy, (back then with NERO) which worked.  Another CD that gave trouble looks in perfect condition, and produced "accurate rip" in all tracks, except 2.  The correcting process did not seem to help, but the results played.  One track was error failed to open, but re ripping gave "accurate rip" result.

So while it tells you you dont have "all the numbers" there really isnt anything to do about it?  (short of the this software, dBpoweramp which sounds like does correct them?)  Thanks guys, I've learned a ton the past few days, still a ton to go!

BTW, how does dBpoweramp "correct" these errors?  (If indeed it does)

Thanks again,

Russellc

Russellc

Re: Quick rip vs other rips, with "checks" and "verification"
« Reply #10 on: 16 Dec 2015, 04:41 pm »
I would also rip all future CDs securely, a secure rip with, for example dBpoweramp, takes much longer due to error checking and error correction when compared to a quick and dirty rip.
If you acquire very many more CDs and quick rip them you will be spending just that much more time re-ripping them.
I use a burst rip only as a last resort when a used CD is so damaged that I cannot get a secure rip due to the massive number of uncorrectable errors that are present, I can at least play the music back as a WAV file when otherwise I wouldn't have it in my library.
Scotty

Yup.  Doing all new ones this way, slowly redoing the ones I did with the quick method.  After using dBpoweramp is it fairly straight forward for musicBee to find them? I will purchase Dbpoweramp based on everybody's recommendations

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Re: Quick rip vs other rips, with "checks" and "verification"
« Reply #11 on: 16 Dec 2015, 04:57 pm »
In MusicBee you can set monitored folders (Edit > Preferences > Library)

Let dBpoweramp rip to a root folder e.g. C:\Sound\ or \\NAS\Noise\
Within this folder a sub folder for each CD
Let MusicBee monitor this folder

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« Reply #12 on: 17 Dec 2015, 03:50 am »
Yup.  Doing all new ones this way, slowly redoing the ones I did with the quick method.  After using dBpoweramp is it fairly straight forward for musicBee to find them? I will purchase Dbpoweramp based on everybody's recommendations

Russellc.

Some people like to use Exact Audio Rip which also has the auccurate rip feature but it's free.  Their link is below:

http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/en/

I actually started using Dbpoweramp because its more feature laden and was recommended by the people I bought my cd robot from.  However, EAC will do the job for free.

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Re: Quick rip vs other rips, with "checks" and "verification"
« Reply #13 on: 18 Dec 2015, 01:30 pm »
Some people like to use Exact Audio Rip which also has the auccurate rip feature but it's free.  Their link is below:

http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/en/

I actually started using Dbpoweramp because its more feature laden and was recommended by the people I bought my cd robot from.  However, EAC will do the job for free.

Sounds good, but I have no idea what I would do to accomplish this.  I am just starting and am still doing a lot of reading.  I did purchase the dbpoweramp on several peoples recommendation.  Still struggling with transferring files from dbpoweramp to MusicBee's library.  I have been told much easier ways than the way I have been doing it, I just dont know enough about computer music to accomplish this.. I need a computer music for dummies guide!

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Re: Quick rip vs other rips, with "checks" and "verification"
« Reply #14 on: 18 Dec 2015, 01:31 pm »
In MusicBee you can set monitored folders (Edit > Preferences > Library)

Let dBpoweramp rip to a root folder e.g. C:\Sound\ or \\NAS\Noise\
Within this folder a sub folder for each CD
Let MusicBee monitor this folder

Sorry, I meant to quote Vincent, but clicked the wrong member, Starchild.  Its all good.  I will try to figure this out this evening.  My dbpoweramp has been putting ripped files in my already existing "music" folder that came installed on this computer.

Russellc