Cheap simple bass trap

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django11

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Cheap simple bass trap
« on: 12 Oct 2012, 11:27 pm »
I hope this qualifies for Cheap and Cheerful as I like this circle. 

I have been making some (blindingly cheap) room treatments and I thought I would post my corner treatment as I don't think I have seen them made this way before and this may help someone who wouldn't otherwise attempt this. The key is being able to make a frame out of 5 pieces of 1x2.  If the frame is a fairly uniform width you can hardly fail.

 This one is quite small but I made a larger one like this and the same principles apply.  I made this out of Roxul which is common around here (Home Depot carries it in Canada) and is leftover stuff from some insulation work I did at a client's.

I start by cutting a triangle the dimension of the inside of the bass trap and running some plumb lines up the wall from the tips of the triangle.  For my larger trap I made the triangle out of mdf and used it as a form to cut out triangles of Roxul. (Also for the larger trap the triangle ends up lying in the corner resting on the baseboard where it is tacked in place.  Triangles of Roxul are just stacked on this)


Then I just cut some appropriate widths of Roxul with a 45 on the back.  I stuffed the scraps in the corner behind the Roxul.  I then stapled temporary retaining straps to hold the Roxul.


Stack to the top.


Make a simple 1x frame.  I left mine 1/8 of an inch shorter than the finished height.


Staple fabric to the frame.  I planned on fixing the finished frame to the wall with 4 or 6 two inch finishing nails just sunk into the drywall at an angle.  If the wood for the panel is fairly straight and dry you won't need much to hold it in place.  As luck would have it the total height of the frame plus the thickness of the fabric made for a tight fit, so I just pushed it in place and there it is.  Total cost: $5 of fabric (that my spouse paid for :lol:)
« Last Edit: 2 Nov 2012, 05:36 pm by django11 »

JohnR

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« Reply #1 on: 13 Oct 2012, 09:45 am »
Nice  :thumb:

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Re: Cheap simple bass trap
« Reply #2 on: 13 Oct 2012, 02:17 pm »
And how well do they work? Did you make a pair of these? Is there a cavity behind the roxul? How did you cut the roxul at 45? Can't quite tell from photo; are they on the front wall?
Thx.

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Re: Cheap simple bass trap
« Reply #3 on: 13 Oct 2012, 03:16 pm »
I am not finished yet so I will reserve judgement  on the improvement.  It is in the front left in the room.  I actually cut 12 inch widths on the table saw and then did a 45 with a box cutter.  I didn't leave a space behind.  I am hoping that they will work well.  I just made them yesterday.  I could have gone wider and deeper but in the temporary set up I did (see pics) I had a panel of approximately the same surface leaning in the corner.  Lately I have been experimenting with panels of Roxul  trying too decide what locations are necessary. I have been just laying them in different locations around the room. You can definitely hear a difference between when they are there and when they are not.

 I briefly had some panels here that I fixed up for a client ( I added a wooden frame around them as they were getting banged up).  I temporarily installed those panels in my room (pic below).  The sound in my room was transformed.  Highs were cleaned up, less smeared.  The bass all of a sudden was clean and authoritative.  So this is what I am trying to recapture.  I still have one more corner that I will treat (front most upper right in the picture).  I can't really do anything about the corner in the stair as there is a door there.   I haven't made  the two panels that will go behind the speakers yet.  I am hoping that the magic panel is not the one I put on the ceiling as I probably can't sneak that one by the spouse.

I have an oddly shaped room which I built but at the time I wasn't into audio.  The back wall left hand corner has a larger floor to ceiling version of the trap.  It is 24 inches wide with a maximum depth of 12 inches.  I made that one a few years ago and it certainly tamed the boominess of my room.

The clients panels were frameless compressed fiberglass, mine are framed Roxul.  I am hoping on having comparable performance.  Next up will be some kind of diy diffuser in front of the tv...



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« Reply #4 on: 14 Oct 2012, 02:52 pm »
Thanks, good info! My only treatments at present are furniture. I'm interested in that ceiling panel. I have 10' ceiling and am considering a large absorber up there. Almost like a dropped ceiling. I figure that's the most reflective part of my room. Did the box cutter go through that roxul cleanly? How deep are those panels you have spread around?

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« Reply #5 on: 14 Oct 2012, 03:28 pm »
Thanks, good info! My only treatments at present are furniture. I'm interested in that ceiling panel. I have 10' ceiling and am considering a large absorber up there. Almost like a dropped ceiling. I figure that's the most reflective part of my room. Did the box cutter go through that roxul cleanly? How deep are those panels you have spread around?


I am not a specialist by any means but panels in different locations do different things.  Treating for bass happens in corners.  Everyone recommends treating "first reflection points".  The wall behind the speakers and behind the seating location seem important as well.  I am not really sure of the ceiling.  If you can get Roxul in your location I would recommend putting batts in different locations around your room.  You can easily hear a difference and this will guide you.  Once I tried my clients panels I knew that I needed some.  This is a big upgrade in sound quality.  Easily comparable to changing speakers...

Here is good link giving Noise Reduction Coeffecient for different materials http://www.atsacoustics.com/page--Selecting-the-Right-Acoustic-Material--ac.html

The panels I made are 3 inch Roxul Safe and Sound (which I believe they call AFB in the link).  The black ones from my client are 2 inch rigid fiberglass.  Roxul cuts  easily with an Exacto type blade, the longer the better. It is not that easy to cut cleanly.  The sell what looks almost like a bread knife at HD to cut the stuff but I haven't tried it.

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Re: Cheap simple bass trap
« Reply #6 on: 2 Nov 2012, 05:35 pm »
Just thought I would update this thread in case anyone is interested.  I removed the extra Roxul in behind the bass trap as that is more effective.

I might do a panel on the ceiling and one more base trap on the orange wall at ceiling level.  The roll of insulation with the diy diffuser sitting on it makes a really big difference with the last bit "glare".  I'll either make a larger diffuser to put in front of the tv or some more absorbers I haven't decided...  DIY diffuser:http://audioundone.com/do-it-yourself-acoustical-treatments




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« Reply #7 on: 2 Nov 2012, 08:18 pm »
Hey looks great!

Say, what are those speakers with the dust collectors...uh, I mean upward facing woofers?

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Re: Cheap simple bass trap
« Reply #8 on: 2 Nov 2012, 09:59 pm »
X-omnis.  I had x-ls which uses the same drivers but wasn't using them so I got the crossover and converted them.  I actually mostly use them as mains when I watch tv  (I sit behind them).  These speakers project an incredible soundstage but the tweeter does not compare to the N3s I use for music.I would love to hear the O3  (all the speakers I mentioned are designed by GR Research fyi)  http://gr-research.com/o-3.aspx.   I have a feeling that they would be totally awesome!