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Are you an audiophile?

No
16 (18.4%)
Yes & 50+
34 (39.1%)
Yes & 30 to 49
29 (33.3%)
Yes & under 30
2 (2.3%)
Maybe / Not sure
6 (6.9%)

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Are you an audiophile?

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Re: Are you an audiophile?
« Reply #80 on: 29 Feb 2012, 01:03 pm »
Aha

moves in with his parents.....lol. Thats pathetic.

Nothing pathetic about moving in with your parents (in this case it sounds like just a rental property that Stu's father owns, which is a totally different thing).  If moving in with your parents for awhile, gets you the money to actually put a down payment on a home - and own some real-estate rather than rent...I'd go as far to say that you would be foolish to not take advantage of such an opportunity.  Just my take... :wink:

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« Reply #81 on: 29 Feb 2012, 01:11 pm »
Nothing pathetic about moving in with your parents (in this case it sounds like just a rental property that Stu's father owns, which is a totally different thing).  If moving in with your parents for awhile, gets you the money to actually put a down payment on a home - and own some real-estate rather than rent...I'd go as far to say that you would be foolish to not take advantage of such an opportunity.  Just my take... :wink:

I am in complete agreement with you SoundGame -well said  :thumb:

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Re: Are you an audiophile?
« Reply #82 on: 29 Feb 2012, 02:26 pm »
I apologize if I have misunderstood the messages by Werd and James about Stu's story, but it seemed to me they may have been making light of, and perhaps even mocking, Stu's situation.

What he's described is neither pathetic nor laughable. To me it is a poignant account of the problem people in the middle class are facing especially in high cost areas, and particularly in the US with its health care system.

And part of this all too typical struggle is generational. I'm retired and have a relatively low income. I don't face Stu's difficulty not because I'm smart or a good planner, but because of the dumb luck to have faced his condition at an earlier age and time, to have managed to pay off debt, to have put away some savings, and to have a reasonable pension. I have no doubt that if I had faced his situation in today's conditions, in the US, it would have been much more difficult to make ends meet, and to end up with a decent retirement.

Stu's story is a snapshot of why the middle class is under siege and why so many people in it are frustrated and angry.

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Re: Are you an audiophile?
« Reply #83 on: 29 Feb 2012, 03:52 pm »
I apologize if I have misunderstood the messages by Werd and James about Stu's story, but it seemed to me they may have been making light of, and perhaps even mocking, Stu's situation...
...Stu's story is a snapshot of why the middle class is under siege and why so many people in it are frustrated and angry.

Dave

Dave :  I think you may well have misinterpreted James' post as I don't see anything derogatory about it whatsoever.

Werd, on the other hand, may want to stick to being "The Cable and Conditioning Guy" because Werd "The Comedy Guy" isn't cutting it with commentary like his most recent post...

Stu: Do what you have to do for you and your family. My wife and I lived in some pretty funky accomodations for a long time while we put away the money to get a place of our own without putting ourselves over a barrel.

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werd

Re: Are you an audiophile?
« Reply #84 on: 29 Feb 2012, 03:58 pm »
Dave :  I think you may well have misinterpreted James' post as I don't see anything derogatory about it whatsoever.

Werd, on the other hand, may want to stick to being "The Cable and Conditioning Guy" because Werd "The Comedy Guy" isn't cutting it with commentary like his most recent post...

Stu: Do what you have to do for you and your family. My wife and I lived in some pretty funky accomodations for a long time while we put away the money to get a place of our own without putting ourselves over a barrel.

D.D.

Just regurgitating his own philosphy back at him that i got.


I'll give you that.  Haven't "lived in my parents' basement" since the summer after I graduated from college.  Those 3 months were the longest 3 months of my life.

There are far more advantages to being happily married.  While playing Dungeons & Dragons or Magic: The Gathering with a killer system bumping in mom and dad's basement may seem like a good time, it's quite pathetic.  People who say they're like that by choice aren't fooling anyone.   






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Re: Are you an audiophile?
« Reply #85 on: 29 Feb 2012, 04:26 pm »
Just regurgitating his own philosphy back at him that i got.


I'll give you that.  Haven't "lived in my parents' basement" since the summer after I graduated from college.  Those 3 months were the longest 3 months of my life.

There are far more advantages to being happily married.  While playing Dungeons & Dragons or Magic: The Gathering with a killer system bumping in mom and dad's basement may seem like a good time, it's quite pathetic.  People who say they're like that by choice aren't fooling anyone.   
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You know, Werd...now that you mention it, I do recall that thread....

Sorry to interupt - you guys go back to kicking each other in the nads again !  :thumb:
 ( or with it being Audio Circle, should I say NAD's ?  :oops: )

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Re: Are you an audiophile?
« Reply #86 on: 29 Feb 2012, 04:47 pm »
Dave :  I think you may well have misinterpreted James' post as I don't see anything derogatory about it whatsoever.

Werd, on the other hand, may want to stick to being "The Cable and Conditioning Guy" because Werd "The Comedy Guy" isn't cutting it with commentary like his most recent post...

Stu: Do what you have to do for you and your family. My wife and I lived in some pretty funky accomodations for a long time while we put away the money to get a place of our own without putting ourselves over a barrel.

D.D.

Thanks, D.D. You are quite right that I may have misinterpreted what Werd and James wrote, which is why I apologized in my post if I had.

I, too, once lived in funky accommodations when my wife and I were young and had little money. I remember that to outfit one place having to buy some pretty awful second hand furniture and using it for years before being able to get better stuff.

Remembering those tougher days is why I suppose I can identify with the kind of struggle Stu described about his situation, which clearly is faced by many millions of people these days, which are, it seems to me, even tougher than they were in my time.

Dave

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Re: Are you an audiophile?
« Reply #87 on: 29 Feb 2012, 04:52 pm »
When my wife and I first got married (I had a great audio system) we had a 74 Ford that the front doors did not open so we had to crawl in and out the open windows - lucky it was only for one summer.

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Re: Are you an audiophile?
« Reply #88 on: 29 Feb 2012, 04:57 pm »
When my wife and I first got married (I had a great audio system) we had a 74 Ford that the front doors did not open so we had to crawl in and out the open windows - lucky it was only for one summer.

james

Should have painted it up like it was NASCAR  :lol:

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SoundGame

Re: Are you an audiophile?
« Reply #89 on: 29 Feb 2012, 05:44 pm »
Sorry - I probably took comments out of context, as well.  I understand all was meant in good fun.

I personally really had to park the audio stuff for a number of years once we got married - there were other priorities.  I even bought one crappy Sony receiver that fried a pair of tweeter on my mid-80's API speakers.

I'm glad to have a little cash to squander on my audiophile endeavors.  Cheers.

P.S. James - I'd love to see a picture of you squeezing in and out of those 74 Ford windows... What model was it?

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Re: Are you an audiophile?
« Reply #90 on: 29 Feb 2012, 06:17 pm »
Sorry - I probably took comments out of context, as well.  I understand all was meant in good fun.

I personally really had to park the audio stuff for a number of years once we got married - there were other priorities.  I even bought one crappy Sony receiver that fried a pair of tweeter on my mid-80's API speakers.

I'm glad to have a little cash to squander on my audiophile endeavors.  Cheers.

P.S. James - I'd love to see a picture of you squeezing in and out of those 74 Ford windows... What model was it?

My Dad gave it to me and you know I can not remember other than it was a dark tan colour with a vinyl top?

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Re: Are you an audiophile?
« Reply #91 on: 29 Feb 2012, 07:07 pm »
My Dad gave it to me and you know I can not remember other than it was a dark tan colour with a vinyl top?

james

My Dad gave us a '55 Chevy (used) as a wedding present. Broke down returning from the honeymoon.

Dave

SoundGame

Re: Are you an audiophile?
« Reply #92 on: 29 Feb 2012, 08:00 pm »
My Dad gave it to me and you know I can not remember other than it was a dark tan colour with a vinyl top?

james

Funny James - you probably put it out of your memory - sorry to make you relive it. :lol:

SoundGame

Re: Are you an audiophile?
« Reply #93 on: 29 Feb 2012, 08:05 pm »
My Dad gave us a '55 Chevy (used) as a wedding present. Broke down returning from the honeymoon.

Dave

Those are the best presents eh, the one's that just keep givin' - right in the a_ _.  Oh well, I'm sure his intentions were for the best.

Stu Pitt

Re: Are you an audiophile?
« Reply #94 on: 1 Mar 2012, 03:09 am »
Never misinterpreted James's post.

I knew Werd would take a shot at me.  No big deal.  I'm not in my parents' basement my any means.  My father bought and moved into a new house about 15 years ago, but still owns the house I grew up in.  The tenants moved out last month, and I've moved in.

That exchange between myself and Werd had a lot more than he posted here, but I won't drag this place down by posting what he said and thereby caused me to say what I said.

Again, not in my parents' basement.  I'm fixing the place up out of my own pocket, and will help pay the taxes.  One hand washes the other.  There's a light at the end of the tunnel.  Just hope it's not a freight train coming my way!

Anyhow...

The middle class is shrinking everyday.  Where I was living previously, the only people in their 30's that are married and have children that can buy a home are the people who have parents who gave them the downpayment, inherited the house, or were given the house.  Or they're millionaires.

I honestly can say I didn't know a single person who bought a home on their own without moving into their patents's house for about 2 years rent free.   That's just pathetic.  My wife and I almost bought a co-op for $300k, but couldn't afford the down payment and closing - it would have been $75k in cash!  What middle class married with a child 30 somethings have $75k in cash?

Speaking with my old landlord put things into perspective...
My rent of $1600 per month didn't cover his taxes (it's a 2 family house where he lived downstairs).  He said without reservation that if he hadn't bought the house for what he paid in '78, there's no way he'd be able to afford to buy it now.

Its actually easier to buy a home if you're below the supposed poverty line.  My department's secretary's husband works for the county's affordable housing department.  They build and sell homes that would have a market value of about $600k.  If you qualify for the program, they cost $125k.  To qualify, you need to have a household income of less than $30k.  So basically, my wife and I have almost 4 master's degrees between us.  We have important jobs - teachers - and would have been better off at the end of the day if we worked at McDonald's.  How do I know we'd have been better off?  A friend's sister works at McDonald's, her husband is too lazy to get a job, and they bought one.  In a pretty nice neighborhood and a nicer house that's brand new than anyone I know in my demographic.

The middle class is going the way of the dinosaur.  We were told to go to college, work hard, and we'll attain the American Dream.  Funny how that's working out.

While there's a lot of clowns occupying Wall Steet and similar places, a lot of them are in the same situation I'm in.  I'd rather work than sit there and complain about it though.  Then again, I guess I can complain about it everywhere else!

Stu Pitt

Re: Are you an audiophile?
« Reply #95 on: 1 Mar 2012, 03:11 am »
Double posted somehow.