Didn't you know all amps sound the same?

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jaxwired

Didn't you know all amps sound the same?
« on: 25 Feb 2012, 02:26 pm »
For whatever reason, there is a constant stream of people that like to "prove" that audio equipment all sounds the same.  Only speakers sound different.  Everything else, amps, cables, sources, all sound identical and this is easily proved with ABX testing.  And these people keep proving it.

Here's the latest from a blog showing cables all sound the same: http://consumerist.com/2008/03/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables.html


My own theory is that ABX testing for audio is flawed.  I don't know exactly why but the brain is obviously a very complex and sophisticated instrument.  For whatever reason, ABX testing of audio equipment does not work IMO.  My evidence is all anecdotal, but I do belive my own ears.  I will give you an example.  Before I got back into hifi years ago, I spent a decade owning a yamaha receiver and a pair of B&W speakers.  The system was fine but I always thought it sounded bass light.  One day I spoted a brand new NAD amp on ebay and purchased it.  I had done zero reading on the NAD product and only new NAD from seeing the brand in stereo shops way back in the early 90s.  I only new it was good brand I knew nothing about the signature of NAD products.  After putting the NAD in place into a system that I had logged many hundreds of listening hours on, I immediately noticed the sound change.  The most prominent change with the fuller bass.  In fact, the bass was so much fuller that now I found the speakers to be somewhat too bass heavy on certain recordings.  The exact same system that I felt was bass light for years.  I change nothing but the amp, everything else was identical.  I later learned that NAD was known for warm, bassy amps.  That this was well known by the hifi community, but it was totally unknown to me.  From this I conclude that the NAD amp did not sound identical to my old Yamaha amp.   I believe this as a 100% fact.  YET, the famous 1987 stereo review ABX test for amplifiers resulted in the panel failing to tell the difference between a Mark Levison solid state amp, a TUBE amp, and a cheap receiver.  From this, and other ABX testing I have to conclude that ABX testing just doesn't work for audio gear.  Either that, or my NAD experience is complete dillusion and it's just coincidence that I concluded it had more bass which ended up comporting with the overall hifi communities opinion.  I refuse to believe that.

Here is an interesting article discussing this:  http://positive-feedback.com/Issue56/abx.htm

lanchile

Re: Didn't you know all amps sound the same?
« Reply #1 on: 25 Feb 2012, 06:00 pm »
I agree!!! ALL AMPS DO NOT SOUND THE SAME  :duh: I remember long time ago when I started building diy amps, I build these famous "Gainclones" amps that use "jokes" power supply caps (very low capacitance) it sounded like a loud tv sound. as soon I use bigger caps in the power supply, the sound got way better.That was then... Now I just build discrete amps class A/B only (no more ic's in my diy amps circuitry). all depends on the design and parts used in the amps. some will sound almost the same and some will sound completely different.Some have a lot background noise and some are quiet as a mouse, some will get very hot at normal volume and some will get just warm (same class). and also all speakers do not sound the same for sure. Well that is my opinion and experience.

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Re: Didn't you know all amps sound the same?
« Reply #2 on: 25 Feb 2012, 07:26 pm »
An ABX test is statistically incapable of proving 2 DUT sound the same. It is capable of proving 2 DUT sound different. It is VERY hard to remove all the confounding variables, and most of these tests are not conducted in an adequately robust a fashion.

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