How much is too much - music/video pricing.

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Stu Pitt

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« Reply #20 on: 1 Feb 2012, 03:25 am »
Laundrew,

Likewise, I enjoy your articulate posts here.  The Corolla is a great car.  Mine/my wife's Corolla has about 110k miles on it.  The only things we've had to do are fluid changes, tires and brakes.  It's been as maintanence free as it gets.  If I were to buy another car, it would be judged against the Corolla.  I just wish it were faster.  Makes me really miss my Volvo 850 turbo.  That one had 275k miles on it when I gave it to my brother.  My father is a mechanic, so I figured my brother could do all the stuff it needed for pretty cheap - timing belt, oxygen sensors, air conditioning compressor, and so on.  I didn't live close enough to my father at the time to be able to do all of it myself.  Having someone else do all that work would have been about $4k or so, which I didn't have nor would I want to put in that car.  All would have been well, as it would have cost my brother about $500 in parts and a few days work.  He totaled the car 3 days after I gave it to him.  Luckily he didn't start the work on it.  I can't blame him for the accident, as someone who thought they could text and drive hit him and caused him to take out a guard rail.  He walked away perfectly fine; it was a Volvo after all.

Phil,

I'd try to take your job, but I doubt they'd take me  :lol:

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« Reply #21 on: 1 Feb 2012, 06:20 pm »
Please don't take my job - I'm excellent at being a grumpy old guy   :green:- I'll be 60 in 2 weeks

Sorry Phil, I'll be 61 in six weeks.  The doctor told me a new medication he was prescribing could make me grumpy.  My wife laughed excessively and blurted out, "he doesn't need medication to make him grumpy"!  :lol:

Rclark

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« Reply #22 on: 1 Feb 2012, 08:13 pm »
Excellent reading here. And Elizabeth, put a Bluray player in the mix, find a movie you like, and then come back and tell us how minor the difference is. DVD by comparison is almost the video equivalent of 128kb mp3.

Also, even the next Xbox will have a bluray drive so expect continued growth.

Stu Pitt

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« Reply #23 on: 2 Feb 2012, 03:13 am »
I was in Target today and took a walk through the movie section.  I saw a bunch of Blu-Ray titles for $15 or so.  Not new releases, but not old stuff either.  I saw a few for $10 and a couple for $5.

I'm not really a movie guy and I have zero desire to buy a Blu-Ray player and buy my collection all over again.  If it was a music format change that brought about significant improvements and I knew it was here to stay for quite a while, I'd slowly replace my collection starting with my favorite albums.  Video has no priority to me. 

Rclark

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« Reply #24 on: 2 Feb 2012, 03:57 am »
I like concert blurays, probably one of THE most awesome ways to enjoy your speakers  :thumb:

As far as movies, I only buy that rare masterpiece that I simply must have in the best format. Last purchase was  Master and Commander and worth every penny.

 for regular old viewing I use Netflix. Cinema  Now is a fantastic service for new and same as theater releases with much higher quality than Netflix but not Bluray quality.

Buying DVD's is just silly imo.

Phil A

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« Reply #25 on: 2 Feb 2012, 04:23 am »
Sorry Phil, I'll be 61 in six weeks.  The doctor told me a new medication he was prescribing could make me grumpy.  My wife laughed excessively and blurted out, "he doesn't need medication to make him grumpy"!  :lol:

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« Reply #26 on: 2 Feb 2012, 10:58 am »
We have a toll highway(407) that I was on for 3yrs in 1994-96 doing eathmoving and our govmt sold it and the price to drive on it just went up!!It will cost you $20 to drive from one end of Toronto to the other.This is a nightmare....But when I walked into Future shop and seen the price of bluerays ,I laughed and left(well I did get 2 combo packs for $20(Commando/Predator and Predator vs Alien/AVP Relquium..$10ea)

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« Reply #27 on: 2 Feb 2012, 11:54 am »
We have a toll highway(407) that I was on for 3yrs in 1994-96 doing eathmoving and our govmt sold it and the price to drive on it just went up!!It will cost you $20 to drive from one end of Toronto to the other.This is a nightmare...

 I was listening to AM680 or AM640 early this week, they were mentioning that the price increase for the 407 is almost 10%. Interestingly enough, they were also discussing more toll roads for public transit funding. I guess they have a difficult time comprehending that the average, middle class Canadian household has "finite" financial resources.

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« Reply #28 on: 2 Feb 2012, 12:56 pm »
The Laundrew household music ordered arrived yesterday from my online CD store - our order consisted of 18 CDs and was delivered in less than one week. A conservative estimated is that I saved around $100 that I can put towards my next music order purchase.

Aside from the savings, many of the CDs that I ordered would of required my local brick and mortar store to back order some of these titles - previously I have waited months for some selections to arrive. Interestingly enough, titles that the store must special order have mostly been in the high $20 range.

If the cost difference was very close between the two methods of purchasing CDs, I would still opt for the online store because of convenience of shopping from my most beloved basement and great, readily available selections. Lady Laundrew is a country fan and has also mentioned about the ease of finding her music - she will add her selections to my account. We like teasing each other with respect to the type of music that we enjoy when the shipment arrives, I refer to her CDs as "bug music" when I hand her the jewel case and Lady Laundrew will sometimes imply that perhaps my listening room would be much better suited for me if it was "padded." When my parents are visiting, my Dad, after looking at some of my CDs will causally inquire as to what coffin the artist has just crawled out of.

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« Reply #29 on: 3 Feb 2012, 01:38 am »
When my parents are visiting, my Dad, after looking at some of my CDs will causally inquire as to what coffin the artist has just crawled out of.

Be well...

When I was a kid I would listen to David Bowie records through my incredibly cheezy Lloyds phono and my Mom would comment that if a cadaver could sing, it would sound like that...no idea how she would get an impression like that.
Unless she saw a picture of him from that "difficult" period in the mid 70's.  :o
 



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Johnny2Bad

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« Reply #30 on: 3 Feb 2012, 03:53 am »
Price is just price ... everyone should have the ability to decide what is too much and what is agreeable to them. It's a personal decision, plain and simple.

Value is separate and distinct from price; that's a concept most people learn eventually but probably should learn when they're 12.

Just a comment regarding the specifics of the topic, though, where the OP was talking about new releases at full retail. I'm not sure everyone knows that with CDs and other music formats, the artist only earns a royalty when they are sold at full retail. Discounted CDs (for example) are a zero royalty sale for the artist. A modest discount ... where the retailer eats the difference but pays full wholesale price ... would still pay a royalty. But there isn't that much for him to eat, so if you pay $10 at Wall-Mart, guaranteed it's zero-rated for royalties.

I'm not sure about movies but I would not be surprised to learn they work the same way ... ie if the contract calls for "points" (% of sales; when expressed as a "point" it's usually 1/10 or 1/100th of a percent) I would bet it's only paid on full retail sales.

For CDs there is what is called the "statutory rate" ... 7c per song of 5 minutes or less on the disk. All you need to know about the statutory rate is nobody gets it ... all contracts are negotiated at a lower rate. 5c or so is typical.

For music downloads, the labels negotiated a lower rate than for CDs; this after they were paying nothing at all, and got sued. It probably wouldn't surprise anyone to know that the labels argued in court that zero was the appropriate rate. They get 70c for a download from the iTunes store @ 99c, pay the artist perhaps 3cents out of that. The labels have no costs in the transaction; its all profit. Apple pays the costs of storage, distribution, etc out of it's 29c share. Apple does now make a profit from the iTunes store, but for years it operated at a loss.

Once the full-retail sales figures are tallied, and multiplied by the contract rate, the labels take 10% off the top for "promotion".

If you mailed a dollar to your favourite artist after buying a used CD, a new one from the bargain bin, or *cough* downloading * cough* a 16/44 file of the disk, she's made more money than she gets from a full retail sale via the label.

If anyone is wondering why the artists are getting royalties for "their" music, it's because when you agree to sign with a label, you give all your copyrights to the label in return for the contract. The label then loans you the money you need to record and tour, and you pay that money back from the royalties. At one point in time it was worse ... you had to borrow for the music video too. Mercifully, those days are gone.

If you ever do pay them back, you start getting checks. If not, you don't.

It used to be that artists made their income ... actual month to month paychecks ... from touring. Today the labels also generate income from the tour, and sometimes manage the entire tour, retaining all the profits, and pay a salary ... due to added clauses in the contracts that are now standard.
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« Reply #31 on: 3 Feb 2012, 04:14 am »


Johnny2Bad:  Really interesting post. Thanks for that. :thumb:

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Johnny2Bad

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« Reply #32 on: 3 Feb 2012, 04:46 am »
Have a Cigar (Waters) 5:24
Pink Floyd "Wish You Were Here"

Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar.
You're gonna go far, fly high,
You're never gonna die,
You're gonna make it if you try;
They're gonna love you.
Well I've always had a deep respect,
And I mean that most sincerely.
The band is just fantastic,
that is really what I think.
Oh by the way, which one's Pink?
And did we tell you the name of the game, boy,
We call it Riding the Gravy Train.

We're just knocked out.
We heard about the sell out.
You gotta get an album out.
You owe it to the people.
We're so happy we can hardly count.
Everybody else is just green,
Have you seen the chart?
It's a helluva start,
It could be made into a monster
If we all pull together as a team.
And did we tell you the name of the game, boy,
We call it Riding the Gravy Train.

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« Reply #33 on: 19 Feb 2012, 08:22 pm »
I was out and about a few days ago in search of a CD from a group called Opera Noire. I decided to roll the dice and stop in at a used CD "small chain store" to see if they might have a copy that I could purchase. When I arrived in front of the store I was met with an empty store - they had gone out of business. I could not help thinking back to the last time I was in this store and had brought up the point to the manager that many of their "used" CD prices were equal to, or more expensive than new prices at stores such as HMV or Future Shop. He assured me that their pricing was very competitive and that they had the best interests of their customers in mind for product pricing.

 :wave:

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