Soldering speaker leads

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Mark Korda

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Soldering speaker leads
« on: 14 Jan 2012, 11:40 pm »
Hi,I have to re attach my speaker leads or leeds as I don't trust my spade lugs.Is there any technique using a heat sink like alligator clips or the old pot smoking rheostats that most of you might remember,without risking damage to the voice coils?How long could I risk keeping the soldering iron on the speaker terminal,3 seconds or so?.Thanks people I'm a little nervous about this.Mark Korda(mark.korda@myfairpoint.net)

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Re: Soldering speaker leads
« Reply #1 on: 15 Jan 2012, 12:27 am »
Pot smoking hemostats, not rheostats. A rheostat is a variable resistor. If you know how to solder well, you should have no problems. Too much solder will only stiffen the tinsel leads, not the voice coil wires itself. By all means, buy and use a clip on heat sink. I would think Radio Shack has some. You can always improvise by using alligator clips.
Picture of rheostat.



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« Reply #2 on: 15 Jan 2012, 12:38 am »
I would use a large gun that heats up quickly and gets the target area hot real fast.  A pencil tip unit w/o enough oomph will mean you apply the tip too long and then the whole thing sinks the heat as you know you don't want.

Also, for this duty I might skip the silver solder and use a rosen core solder since it will attach itself rather quickly.  Tin the speaker tabs and tin the wire separately, then do the attachment soldering.

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« Reply #3 on: 15 Jan 2012, 06:20 pm »
Hi,AE and the Big Red Machine,thanks for the tips!AE,I'll work on my vocabulary.That was funny when you pointed out my error.With out looking it up,what makes a rheostat differnet from a variable resistor.Do rheostats have a resistance (measured)?Thanks guys,Mark Korda

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« Reply #4 on: 15 Jan 2012, 06:26 pm »
I forgot,I know pots have a linear, audio,or logrithmic taper.Is this what makes a rheostat different because it does not? I saw a resistance stamped on that rheostat picture after I asked the preceding question....Mark K

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« Reply #5 on: 15 Jan 2012, 08:32 pm »
While we often think of a "rheostat" as a power "potentiometer" more correctly it's a variable resistor with one fixed contact terminal and one movable contact.

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« Reply #6 on: 15 Jan 2012, 08:46 pm »
I would use a large gun that heats up quickly and gets the target area hot real fast.  A pencil tip unit w/o enough oomph will mean you apply the tip too long and then the whole thing sinks the heat as you know you don't want.

Also, for this duty I might skip the silver solder and use a rosen core solder since it will attach itself rather quickly.  Tin the speaker tabs and tin the wire separately, then do the attachment soldering.

I fought these same issues myself before I discovered how much easier soldering is with a high quality solder. Since purchasing WBT silver solder, I worry much less about heat damage to components and parts. It's melts faster and flows better than any rosin core solder I've ever used. It really is worth the extra expense to use it. I purchase solders from the Ebay seller in the attached link. He ships quick and his prices are great. It's nice to be able to purchase smaller sizes of solder to try out different brands if you're so inclined.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WBT-SILVER-SOLDER-4-Ag-Content-10-feet-/130529867431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e642fb6a7#ht_500wt_1204

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« Reply #7 on: 15 Jan 2012, 09:13 pm »
I fought these same issues myself before I discovered how much easier soldering is with a high quality solder. Since purchasing WBT silver solder, I worry much less about heat damage to components and parts. It's melts faster and flows better than any rosin core solder I've ever used.

The only reason why everyone has converted to silver solder is because of the EU ban on lead, RoHS. Otherwise good old tin lead melts at a lower temperature.
If you really want the easiest melting solder, you have to get some 63% tin and 37% lead. 63/37 solder is also known as eutectic solder and is often preferred because it goes directly from a solid to liquid state when melted.
Fortunately for me I have an ample supply of Multicore® (tin/lead) solder.



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« Reply #8 on: 15 Jan 2012, 11:34 pm »
Actually, WBT solder melts at 356 degrees F., which is lower than 63/37 eutectic solder, which melts at 364 F. Here's a link to an interesting thread on "which solder?"

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?ymisc&1212857844&openfrom&1&4
« Last Edit: 16 Jan 2012, 11:59 am by Photon46 »

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« Reply #9 on: 16 Jan 2012, 12:19 am »
Actually, WBT solder melts at 356 degrees F., which is lower than 63/37 eutectic solder, which melts at 364 F. Here's a link to an interesting tread on "which solder?"

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?ymisc&1212857844&openfrom&1&4

Very interesting, I'll have to look into it. Thanks.
PartsExpress sells some. http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=093-586

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« Reply #10 on: 16 Jan 2012, 07:32 am »
Thanks all,all you guys (Rule).I'm going to get that recommened solder that melts like butter,WBT,or what ever,thanks for all those tips and advice.........sincerely Mark Korda

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« Reply #11 on: 16 Jan 2012, 04:37 pm »
At risk of stating the obvious, whatever solder you decide to use, first, make sure you have the best possible mechanical contact between the parts being connected....remenber, the purpose of the execrcise is to connect two parts, not simply to add solder (a third part) as a connecting bridge. Solder should be used to secure/stabilize the connection. To the extent that solder is utilized as a connecting bridge, the more evident are the the perceived differences in solder type.  This is one of the reasons for the sonic differences between point-to-point soldering versus circuit board (through the whole or surfece mount) soldering--in the latter, obtaining a tight mechanical connection between the part and the board traces is simply not possible and solder has to act as a connecting bridge.

When solder act as the connecting element (no actual contact between the parts intended to be connected), all the electrical properties of the metalurgic cocktail in the solder enter into play, plus the thickness of the joint itself (gauge)--which, accordingly, may introduce resistance, skin, diode, and capacitance effects that also depend on how fast the solder joint oxidizes and the chemical structure of the type of oxidization).

Let's not forget that there must be  a reason why crimp connections are favored, to the extent possible, in a large amount of critical electronic applications. Incidentally, "crimp" is meant to signify "high pressure/torque" (which includes screw and nut/bolt types), not spring loaded (plug-in) contacts.

Last but not least, to some ears, the metalurgy of the two parts to be connected will also determine how the type of soldering  interacts sonnically....for instance, silver to silver wire tends to harmonize with silver bearing solder, etc...but silver or silver plated wire to the tin plated steel terminal in a speaker armature...well???

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« Reply #12 on: 16 Jan 2012, 06:22 pm »
At risk of stating the obvious, whatever solder you decide to use, first, make sure you have the best possible mechanical contact between the parts being connected....remenber, the purpose of the execrcise is to connect two parts, not simply to add solder (a third part) as a connecting bridge. Solder should be used to secure/stabilize the connection. To the extent that solder is utilized as a connecting bridge, the more evident are the the perceived differences in solder type.  This is one of the reasons for the sonic differences between point-to-point soldering versus circuit board (through the whole or surfece mount) soldering--in the latter, obtaining a tight mechanical connection between the part and the board traces is simply not possible and solder has to act as a connecting bridge.

When solder act as the connecting element (no actual contact between the parts intended to be connected), all the electrical properties of the metalurgic cocktail in the solder enter into play, plus the thickness of the joint itself (gauge)--which, accordingly, may introduce resistance, skin, diode, and capacitance effects that also depend on how fast the solder joint oxidizes and the chemical structure of the type of oxidization).

Let's not forget that there must be  a reason why crimp connections are favored, to the extent possible, in a large amount of critical electronic applications. Incidentally, "crimp" is meant to signify "high pressure/torque" (which includes screw and nut/bolt types), not spring loaded (plug-in) contacts.

Last but not least, to some ears, the metalurgy of the two parts to be connected will also determine how the type of soldering  interacts sonnically....for instance, silver to silver wire tends to harmonize with silver bearing solder, etc...but silver or silver plated wire to the tin plated steel terminal in a speaker armature...well???

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Your dissertation sure was fun, but the OP only wanted to know the best way to solder speaker terminals without causing any damage.

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« Reply #13 on: 16 Jan 2012, 06:43 pm »

For a secure connection, it never hurts to wrap or fold/lightly crimp the conductors/leads whenever contact terminals permit, and let the solder flow into the joint.

I find a 40W "gun" and few seconds of heat application to be more than enough for speaker connections, and without getting into the debate over RHS, solder alloys, and constitution of vegan organic macrobiotic fluxes  (I'm only half joking) , I do love the Cardas Quad Eutectic solder - both melts and hardens faster than the simpler 60/40 or 63/37 types

I think silver bearing solder has been popular for its (reputed?)  sonic benefits long before the RHS thing

and of course the designer solders sound so much better, but only if you apply them with your non dominant hand   :lol:  -seriously, don't we sometimes get carried away with this arcana?



 

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Re: Soldering speaker leads
« Reply #14 on: 16 Jan 2012, 08:00 pm »
For a secure connection, it never hurts to wrap or fold/lightly crimp the conductors/leads whenever contact terminals permit, and let the solder flow into the joint.

I find a 40W "gun" and few seconds of heat application to be more than enough for speaker connections, and without getting into the debate over RHS, solder alloys, and constitution of vegan organic macrobiotic fluxes  (I'm only half joking) , I do love the Cardas Quad Eutectic solder - both melts and hardens faster than the simpler 60/40 or 63/37 types

I think silver bearing solder has been popular for its (reputed?)  sonic benefits long before the RHS thing

and of course the designer solders sound so much better, but only if you apply them with your non dominant hand   :lol:  -seriously, don't we sometimes get carried away with this arcana?

Ok, it's RoHS, not RHS. Silver bearing solder and silver solder are two different things. Get the lead out.  :green: