My N3 Towers, ALMOST DONE!

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bprochford

My N3 Towers, ALMOST DONE!
« on: 29 Sep 2011, 12:56 am »
It's been a long and busy summer and my N3s took a back seat to work and family fun.  Finally though, I've been able to get them veneered, and I'm very pleased with the results.  All that's left now is a few coats of Danish oil and rub-on poly, and they'll be complete.

To see an earlier record of the build up to this point, check it out here:  http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=94320.msg941092#msg941092

If anyone has questions on how the whole veneer process went, drop a post here or feel free to PM me.  I'm happy to share.

Enjoy the photos, and thanks.

Brad


 
 
  
 
 
  

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« Reply #1 on: 29 Sep 2011, 01:36 am »
Nice job!  I'm starting to get curious as to how the N3 tower sounds as opposed to the sealed version I made...

Danny Richie

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« Reply #2 on: 29 Sep 2011, 03:18 am »
Wow, good looking...

Nice job!  I'm starting to get curious as to how the N3 tower sounds as opposed to the sealed version I made...

They sound the same except his play down lower and have a little more control in the lower ranges.

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« Reply #3 on: 29 Sep 2011, 04:27 am »
Looking good Brad. You said your ready for finish, have you sanded at all or planing to sand? One more thing, Im assuming this is Walnut, before you start applying your top-coats consider staining your speakers Walnut over time has a tendency to "Wash-out" lighter espec if its near a lot of natural light. R.K.

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« Reply #4 on: 29 Sep 2011, 10:35 am »
 Your new N3's look very nice Brad. Good job!  :thumb: Do they have the Sonicap, Mills, and No-Rez performance upgrade options?

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« Reply #5 on: 29 Sep 2011, 12:30 pm »
Brad,

Very nice work and the veneer looks great too.  Make sure to get your No Rez in there-it will add lots of better listening...

JP

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« Reply #6 on: 30 Sep 2011, 12:15 am »
Very nice work.  The Walnut looks great.



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« Reply #7 on: 30 Sep 2011, 04:23 am »
Very nice!  I look forward to seeing the finished walnut.  Did you use a backed veneer?

bprochford

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« Reply #8 on: 30 Sep 2011, 12:10 pm »
Looking good Brad. You said your ready for finish, have you sanded at all or planing to sand? One more thing, Im assuming this is Walnut, before you start applying your top-coats consider staining your speakers Walnut over time has a tendency to "Wash-out" lighter espec if its near a lot of natural light. R.K.

Thanks, Randall.  If I use the tinted Watco Danish oil on these, will that prevent the lightening of the walnut over time?  My plan was to use the medium walnut oil.

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« Reply #9 on: 30 Sep 2011, 02:33 pm »
Brad, cabinets look great. Walnut's one of my favorites. Any way I can talk you out of using Watco?  IMHO, it's marginal at best for a final finish or stain under something else. There's much better available, even if you're hand finishing.

I can give specific reccomendations if you like, either here or PM.

Understand I'm not trying to rain on your parade, just want to see all your efforts bring out the best in a beautiful cabinet wood.

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« Reply #10 on: 30 Sep 2011, 03:29 pm »
Any way I can talk you out of using Watco?  IMHO, it's marginal at best for a final finish or stain under something else. There's much better available, even if you're hand finishing.

I've done many finishes using both stain and colored Watco Danish oils in place of stain, and have found, as did Woodworkers Source, that the Danish oils often reveal subtleties, figuring and depth better than stain.  I've also done side by side test pieces to confirm this.
 
Although there are a number of color choices available, I just tend to use the Medium Walnut color on most of my woods and am always pleased with the results.  The only downside I find is the additional time it takes to cure before topcoating, compared to realtively quick drying stain.
 
Steve

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« Reply #11 on: 30 Sep 2011, 04:05 pm »
Nice N3's Brad. :thumb:

I believe Chad used Watco on his Walnut Surrounds and Center and they turned out really well! I know he was considering several options.

Maybe he'll catch this thread and chime in.

Best,

Ruben

(These were built by me, but Chad did the finish work)







bprochford

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« Reply #12 on: 30 Sep 2011, 07:27 pm »
Your new N3's look very nice Brad. Good job!  :thumb: Do they have the Sonicap, Mills, and No-Rez performance upgrade options?

Hi Ron,
Thanks.  I've got all of the options (Sonicap, Mills, and No-Rez), save for the platinum bypass caps. 

bprochford

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« Reply #13 on: 30 Sep 2011, 07:31 pm »
Very nice!  I look forward to seeing the finished walnut.  Did you use a backed veneer?

Thanks!  I used 10 mil paper backed walnut veneer.  I bought it at my local Woodcraft store - http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2008682/18258/Walnut-VNR-4-x-8--10-mil.aspx

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« Reply #14 on: 30 Sep 2011, 09:08 pm »
I did a bunch of test samples with different stuff -
1 coat Brown Mahogany, 1 coat Medium Brown, 1 coat Java, Watco Medium Walnut, Dark Walnut, Black Walnut all one coat, Zinsser Shellac clear, and waterlox sealer/finisher.

In the end I liked the look of the waterlox sealer/finisher so I went with that.

Can't wait to sell off my mains so I can get the N3s built in walnut.

-Chad

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« Reply #15 on: 30 Sep 2011, 10:23 pm »

I've done many finishes using both stain and colored Watco Danish oils in place of stain, and have found, as did Woodworkers Source, that the Danish oils often reveal subtleties, figuring and depth better than stain.  I've also done side by side test pieces to confirm this.
 
Although there are a number of color choices available, I just tend to use the Medium Walnut color on most of my woods and am always pleased with the results.  The only downside I find is the additional time it takes to cure before topcoating, compared to realtively quick drying stain.
 
Steve

Can't say I disagree, it's the oil in "Danish Oil" that makes grain pop. Danish oil, and in particular, Watco is a linseed oil/varnish mix with colorant added. The good is that the oil usually disperses the colorant more evenly than stain, the not-so-good is that it's linseed oil...which has good qualities, but I think tung oil looks and ages better.

FWIW, I rarely reccommend stain unless one is trying to obscure grain. Better choice would be Dyes such as Behlen Solar Lux. They do a great job of bring out the character of grain, and give a really beautiful base for topcoat. This assumes that one wants to color the wood. In the case of Walnut, a slight tint of orange or yellow in oil or topcoat give a warmer tone to my eye and helps resist the whitish fading Randall spoke of.

I may be mistaken, but read the original post as Watco being the sole finish, which leaves a lot to be desired for most furniture. A wipe-on topcoat like Waterlox is easy to apply, not too hard to find, and offers ease of care and protection.

Part of my gripe with Watco is how they market it...as a complete finish. The wood finishing world would be simpler without all the hypebole on the labels. The subject of another post perhaps...

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« Reply #16 on: 1 Oct 2011, 01:27 am »
They look great. I just finished my N3TLs and have fallen back in love with listening to music again. If you live near a Woodcraft and want to use a Danish Oil, I highly recommend Tried and True.

http://www.triedandtruewoodfinish.com/

If you want a total old school finish just use it with a coat of Renaissance Wax on top...