[maxboy00]

Just wondering if Bryston has considered making the B100SSt2 with more power than 100wpc? Maybe based upon the 3B or 4B?  I have this amp and love it, but think it might have trouble driving speakers that have difficult loads such as Dynaudio C-1's and the like.

[James Tanner]

Maybe 120 or 130?

james

[SoundGame]

Just wondering if Bryston has considered making the B100SSt2 with more power than 100wpc? Maybe based upon the 3B or 4B?  I have this amp and love it, but think it might have trouble driving speakers that have difficult loads such as Dynaudio C-1's and the like.

That would be a B120SST2 or a B130SST2, would it not?  I would think that for design/manufacturing efficiencies as well as marketing purposes, a higher powered integrated should sit at least at 150w/ch - so a B150 (3b-SST/2) based model would do the trick.  It would still make sense to keep the B100 at a more affodable level.   

[James Tanner]

That would be a B120SST2 or a B130SST2, would it not?  I would think that for design/manufacturing efficiencies as well as marketing purposes, a higher powered integrated should sit at least at 150w/ch - so a B150 (3b-SST/2) based model would do the trick.  It would still make sense to keep the B100 at a more affodable level.   

From a power standpoint you have to double the power to hear the difference

James

[SoundGame]

From a power standpoint you have to double the power to hear the difference

James

Yes James, I understand that to get a noticeable 3db inrease, that holds true - so why does the 3b exist, if it's not double the power per channel of the 2b.  I would think that even if no considerable volume increase the is a greater degree of control over speaker loads?  Plus the marketing effect on the buyer of having more power.

[James Tanner]

Yes James, I understand that to get a noticeable 3db inrease, that holds true - so why does the 3b exist, if it's not double the power per channel of the 2b.  I would think that even if no considerable volume increase the is a greater degree of control over speaker loads?  Plus the marketing effect on the buyer of having more power.

If you build a 200 watt integrated it would be much more money than a 100 watt integrated and once you need 150 plus watts we feel you should be into separates.

That being said a small 20 watt increase in power for the B100 would not increase the cost that much.

Now a 250 watt integrated might make some sense but that would be a totally different product.

James

[maxboy00]

The main reason I was asking this question is that when there is a difficult speaker to drive, this amp may lack the power of say a Moon i600 or Pass Labs INT-150, thoes amp may also reside in a different class of IA. Then the question becomes,  as James suggested,  to move up to seperates. Does it make sense to get a 3B and use the B-100 as an PA? And would that combo make any real difference?  The Bryston drives my PMC's  w/no problems, but I think it would under drive a speaker w/a 85 or 86dB sensitivity. What I'm seeking is to know,  is the stellar performance I now get from this amp can be maintained across different speaker loads w/no sacrifice of sonic quality that I now enjoy.

[James Tanner]

The main reason I was asking this question is that when there is a difficult speaker to drive, this amp may lack the power of say a Moon i600 or Pass Labs INT-150, thoes amp may also reside in a different class of IA. Then the question becomes,  as James suggested,  to move up to seperates. Does it make sense to get a 3B and use the B-100 as an PA? And would that combo make any real difference?  The Bryston drives my PMC's  w/no problems, but I think it would under drive a speaker w/a 85 or 86dB sensitivity. What I'm seeking is to know,  is the stellar performance I now get from this amp can be maintained across different speaker loads w/no sacrifice of sonic quality that I now enjoy.

The more difficult (reactive) the load then more having more power available is better. The advantage of the 3B over the B100 is it has more current and voltage capability in it's output stage because it uses 4 output devices per channel whereas the B100 has 2 output devices per channel.

So a difficult low impedance low sensitivity speaker Would benefit from the 3B over the B100.

James

[SoundGame]

So, I'm not sure, but on this discussion thread, can we now expect to perhaps see the B100SST2 with a little more power in the near future? 

[FullRangeMan]

What I like on the B100SST is its output circuit, it had only 1 pair of output transistors.
If one need more power, maybe good consider a new loudspeaker with sensitivity=98db or more, as the Klipsch RF line etc...
I personally listen low sensitivity speakers as poor in micro detail and slow in transients.

But If Bryston could made a mono(2chassis) B100SST could be great.
Cheers

[niels]

In regard to the power of the B100, I think you have to look at it from a phycological point of view. Bryston would probably sell more integrated amps if it had 150 watts per channel. Those in the market for a highend integrated look at other options, Gryphon, Pass, Musical Fidelity and so on.
But, as James state, they feel it would be better to go for separates in that price range, however, some of us have other considerations. I was looking for a compact integrated that didnt weigh a ton because I have all my equipment in an ancient chinese cupboard. The shelves cant take the weight of heavy separates.
My last comment is that the B100 probably will be my last amp, its is dead neutral, its got all the features I need and not once in 6 years have I thought about selling it. Besides, the B100 is one of the best kept secrets in hifi....