C103 & C300 in Clarinet

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schubert

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C103 & C300 in Clarinet
« on: 21 Feb 2011, 02:25 pm »
I need some help here with a planned Clarinet build - does anyone know if C103 and C300 have to be electrolytic?  I'm thinking of using Obbligato PSU caps here, which are film caps (http://www.diyhifisupply.com/node/30).  Considering the cost I want to be sure they'll work.  Has anyone used these?  Thanks

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Re: C103 & C300 in Clarinet
« Reply #1 on: 21 Feb 2011, 04:28 pm »
No, they don't have to be electrolytics. They can be film as soon as you have space to put them on board. You can even eliminate C301 in this case.
But why do you stick to only the Obbligato things? There are a lot of other film capacitors (some of them much cheaper) of the value and voltage. I can't say your choice is bad or something, just curious.

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Re: C103 & C300 in Clarinet
« Reply #2 on: 21 Feb 2011, 05:02 pm »
Only because I've used Obbligatos before and liked them.  I haven't decided for sure yet and if someone else has a great recommendation for these positions I'm all ears.  I'll have all the space I need since I won't be using Jim's case setup.

I'm also curious - why could C301 be left out?  Not being very fluent in electronics I'm always hesitant to leave something out of someone else's design unless I can get a good understanding of why it's OK.

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Re: C103 & C300 in Clarinet
« Reply #3 on: 21 Feb 2011, 07:52 pm »
Only because I've used Obbligatos before and liked them.  ... if someone else has a great recommendation for these positions I'm all ears.
Your taste and practice are the most important considerations in the field of boutique parts. Personally I for budget side prefer Russian PIO, teflon or paper caps (like K40-Y9, FT-3, MBGA), for more Hi-End - Jentzen, Mundorf... But it is just for me and before considering all impacts.
I'm also curious - why could C301 be left out?
The main problem with all, even very high quality, electrolytic capacitors is big dependence (of their params) on frequency of signal. The more is the frequency, the less suitable the electrolytics are. But sometimes you cannot live without electrolytics - it's all about capacitance values. There is an elegant solution for this. At high frequencies to achieve the same impedance values (sort to say - resistance of the path to AC part of the signal)you can bypass (shunt) an electrolytic capacitor by film (plain) capacitor of much lesser value (the more is the frequency - the less resistance have the capacitor). Then the electrolytic capacitor will work to certain frequency, after that the plain capacitor will catch the duty.
As soon as you are not going to use electrolytic capacitors you don't need bypassing - the Obbligatos are already film (plain) and work fine in full frequencies range.
One can say that it is always good to bypass, even bypassed pair, but for me - it is only waste of efforts and worsening the situation instead of easening it. But in the field of customizing a device for a given taste it is a possible solution too.

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Re: C103 & C300 in Clarinet
« Reply #4 on: 21 Feb 2011, 09:31 pm »
Thanks for your reply, poty.  I've used the Russian PIO's & teflons and I like them, though a 47uF PIO is likely to be huge - the 10uF monsters I tried once were as big as hand grenades.  (Hmmm....now that I've checked the size of the Obbligatos, I see they're pretty darned big too...)  They (PIO) tend to be a little "warm & fuzzy", which is probably not what the Clarinet needs.  I might try them anyway, though, because they certainly are reasonable.  As for the teflons, the FT-3s go in practically everything I build. :D

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Re: C103 & C300 in Clarinet
« Reply #5 on: 22 Feb 2011, 11:03 pm »
Those Jantzen Crosscaps (400V) are also perfect for this sort of application. Assuming one is satisfied just to avoid electrolytics.  For lower-voltage large value caps I prefer the Dayton Audio metallized poly caps (250V) as well.

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Re: C103 & C300 in Clarinet
« Reply #6 on: 22 Feb 2011, 11:20 pm »
Do you know of a good source for these?

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Re: C103 & C300 in Clarinet
« Reply #7 on: 23 Feb 2011, 05:59 pm »
Yeah. Parts Express. Go to their website and request their 2011 Catalog. A bathroom reading must.

They refer to their caps as "crossover caps" but that's just spinning it towards their sizeable number of speaker building customers. Their listed prices and cap dimensions are very helpful when space and money are considerations...

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Re: C103 & C300 in Clarinet
« Reply #8 on: 24 Feb 2011, 01:14 am »
Great.  I'll check it out - thanks

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Re: C103 & C300 in Clarinet
« Reply #9 on: 8 Mar 2011, 05:59 pm »
Looks like this question might be a moot point - the Clarinet boards don't seem to be available!!

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Re: C103 & C300 in Clarinet
« Reply #10 on: 8 Mar 2011, 08:31 pm »
Wow!! I just ordered a board and it arrived last week.  I went to Jim's site, the Clarinet info is there, but the Clarinet is not listed in the order area.  :?

Hopefully Jim will restock the boards.  Jim is well known for the quality of his circuits, boards and built units.  He is definitely not getting rich offering these products.  Hopefully all is well and he is not getting burned out dealing with us DIY'ers!

Cheers,
Geary
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Re: C103 & C300 in Clarinet
« Reply #11 on: 8 Mar 2011, 10:02 pm »
I certainly hope so - the alternative is to build it on protoboard, a prospect to which I do not look forward. :o

Keep us posted on your build - pics & all!

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Re: C103 & C300 in Clarinet
« Reply #12 on: 24 Apr 2011, 03:08 am »
For the record - I've decided to try ASC motor run caps at C300.  I'll post the results once I've tried them.