[rollo]

  First off Vladamir is a complete gentleman. So he charges $140,000 for an amp. Good for him if he sells them. I have heard this amp with his preamp and Wilson speakers.
  An experience all should have. It was effortless, dynamic, continuous with gestahlt that made it quite real sounding. A wonderfull acheivment IMO. So they are cost prohibitive for most all of us , big deal. Buy what you can afford if you so desire.
  Now are we to dismiss all the good things the Absolute sound said about Van Alstine gear ? don't think so. They love franks stuff as well as Vladamirs. its not Gospel for goodness sake its a review. which should be taken with a grain of salt.
 

[turkey]

  Now are we to dismiss all the good things the Absolute sound said about Van Alstine gear ?

I dismiss everything they say, no matter who it's about.

And don't even get me started on $140K toob amps.

[saisunil]

May be one day I'll get to try Ultravalve ... (even though it comes with a captive cord and may not respond to cables  )
 
I think that it is quite honorables ... when a good sounding gear is compared with some other good sounding gear, only 100 times more expensive ...
 
Now why something is 100 times more expensive    beats me ... (I get the target market thing - but still why ... ok because there is market for it ...)

[mark funk]

Oh, the M22 I had a few of these that was back in the 70s and I was trying all the stuff like never turning your stuff off
The old M22 did not even make a year and the C21 preamp did not last much longer. At one time I had two C21s and both had a channel out, it looked cool 

                                                                                               
 

[simon wagstaff]

Gee, this thread seems like as good a place as any to state that I still LOVE my U70!  Been listening to a lot of music lately and still very satisfying. I think this is one piece of audio gear that I will never let go.  Listened to the SACD of Santana Caravanserai last night, the detail in the percussion and cymbal splashes were mind blowing. It has the ability to captivate all of my attention. A comparison to the Lamm's would be interesting, I suppose.

thanks for the info on the M22, I had been sort of looking for one but now can give that one up totally.

The U70 rawks!

[rollo]

I dismiss everything they say, no matter who it's about.

And don't even get me started on $140K toob amps.

  Hey man its your choice no arguement there. Yes $140,000 is a bit hard to swallow. If I had the green to through around they would be mine. Is it a waste of money ? to most yes, to me no. Vladimir caters to a small audience of very wealthy people. probably could sell alot more gear if it were priced for all, but that is not his choice to do so.


charles

[turkey]

  Hey man its your choice no arguement there. Yes $140,000 is a bit hard to swallow. If I had the green to through around they would be mine. Is it a waste of money ? to most yes, to me no. Vladimir caters to a small audience of very wealthy people. probably could sell alot more gear if it were priced for all, but that is not his choice to do so.

If I had $140K to spend, I'd donate money to my local schools to buy instruments or to take the kids on field trips to see the Cleveland Orchestra.

As for an amp for me, I could get something very nice indeed from AVA or Bryston for not too much money and would not buy something ridiculously expensive from this Lamm character. Anyone who charges $140K for a tube amp is of questionable honesty and his customers have more money than sense.

[Brett Buck]

  Hey man its your choice no arguement there. Yes $140,000 is a bit hard to swallow. If I had the green to through around they would be mine. Is it a waste of money ? to most yes, to me no. Vladimir caters to a small audience of very wealthy people. probably could sell alot more gear if it were priced for all, but that is not his choice to do so.

   How many actual concerts could you go to for $280,000?

     Brett

[turkey]

   How many actual concerts could you go to for $280,000?
 

I wonder how much it would cost to hire one of the Big Five orchestras for a private concert?

[rollo]

I wonder how much it would cost to hire one of the Big Five orchestras for a private concert?

  Me too. It would interesting to see how much the fee is. Wonder if they are honorable with the fee ?

charles


charles

[turkey]

Wonder if they are honorable with the fee ?

Certainly far more than this Lamm person. I could buy 2 Porsche Boxsters for the price of his amps.

Or I could buy 10 concert PassCards for Severance Hall (good for the best seats in the house) for 466 people for the same price as these Lamm amps. I suppose I would just buy 233 PassCards and treat everyone to dinner before each concert.

I have no doubt whatsoever that I could buy whatever tickets to see the Cleveland Orchestra that I wanted for the rest of my life and still not spend $140K.

For less than $140K I could travel and see all the world's best orchestras.

Or I could spend a few months at the Bunny Ranch. If I'm going to get f**ked, I might as well get it done by a pretty woman instead of some guy named Vladimir.

[Minn Mark]

If I were to spend $140,000 I'd be heating my home with Ultravalves, all my neighbors would have Insights and AVAStars, all my friends would have Ultravalves and Ultra+'s , etc etc, and once a month we'd all get together and laugh at the LAMM website.

Hope all y'all have a great Turkey Day.   I'll be spinning some Black Crowes.....

M

[yo2tup]

The last Absolute Sound blew my mind.In an article the Cutting Edge was a review on the Lamm ML-3 amplifier by Peter Breuninger.A immigrated Russian,Vladimir Lamm builds this amp,vacuum tube,32 watts per channel for a mere 139,290 bucks.Frank VanAlstines 35 watt per channel,vacuum tube amp at a whoping 1,200 bucks.The Lamm,a SET amp,Ultravalve push pull.Peter Breuningers final line in his review(If you value sonic realism,the Lamm ML-3 amp and it's trusty mate,the LL1Signature linestage,have no peers.They re define the state of the audio art.They are actual sound.).Well,I dug out a copy of (Listener)Sept-Oct 2001 and there was an article written by Peter Breuninger in Classics,What made Philidelphia famous,about a 40 year old Dynaco Stereo 70.Peter bought one and the self proclaimed SET amp enthusiest said this about the Ultavalves (great grandmother)the Dyna ST-70-(Simply put,the Stereo 70 exhibits the same or better mid range focus than the best single ends,bass performance far superior to any single ended;crystal clear highs;a huge sound space;and life like timre).Geez,I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out which way to go in this economy,whoops,I'm sorry thats what Vladimir Lamm is..what do you think about this....Mark Korda

I agree that the price tag on the Lamm is more than ridiculous, but I don't see how you can come up with the comparison of the Lamm vs UltraValve based on these two articles