Mitch Miller passes on at 99

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Lyndon

Mitch Miller passes on at 99
« on: 2 Aug 2010, 08:20 pm »
I never liked the guy, and this comes from a fellow oboe and English Horn player.
He didn't care one bit about the artistic quality of the music or the performer. It was always the bottom line.  Thank goodness that Columbia had people like John Hammond.
In this quote from his demise, I would have totally agreed with Frank Sinatra.
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As head of  "artists and repertoire " for Columbia Records in the 1950s, Miller had an enormous role in shaping the popular music of his era.

He helped rescue Columbia by producing records that were generally bright, upbeat and accessible. He gave the producer a much greater role in shaping the sound of recorded music.

In the process, he infuriated artists like Frank Sinatra and Rosemary Clooney, who felt he was disregarding musical and songwriting quality in favor of cheap, trivial novelty songs like Clooney's  "Come On-A My House " or Sinatra's  "Mama Will Bark. "

He also hated rock 'n' roll, calling it  "a disease, " and he generally kept Columbia out of rock 'n' roll for its first decade by passing on artists like Buddy Holly.

He did have an ear for potential commercial value, however, and he made a small unsuccessful offer in 1954 to sign Elvis Presley. In the early 1960s, he joined in signing Aretha Franklin and Bob Dylan. But he tried to make Aretha a pop singer and he left Dylan in the company's  "folk " division.

It wasn't until the success of the Beatles in 1964 that Columbia finally reduced Miller's power and started signing artists like the Byrds.

Ironically, Miller heard similar fire a decade earlier from critics who felt he was not friendly enough to classic popular standards.

Sinatra ended up leaving Columbia and at one point reportedly said to Miller,  "If you see me crossing the street, don't shake hands. Don't say hello. Just keep walking. "

Miller said Sinatra's departure was no loss, feeling he could be replaced with Guy Mitchell, a handsome, bland singer who scored with catchy songs like  "Singing the Blues " and  "Heartaches by the Number. "

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/2010/08/02/2010-08-02_mitch_miller_sing_along_with_mitch_host_and_music_producer_dies_at_99_after_shor.html#ixzz0vTv942cJ

Lyndon

Re: Mitch Miller passes on at 99
« Reply #1 on: 2 Aug 2010, 08:55 pm »
My father preferred the rougher, edgier, Lawrence Welk.
 :lol:
Champagne music, anyone?



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Re: Mitch Miller passes on at 99
« Reply #2 on: 2 Aug 2010, 09:07 pm »
Many people dismissed Miller as a cynical, bottom line guy. I think he was all of that but also totally sincere. I really don't think he could tell the difference between Frank Sinatra and Guy Mitchell. That's like a beer drinker who can't tell the difference between Bud Lite and Guinness Stout. And that's about all you need to know about either of them.

The interesting thing is why we venerate his passing at all. It may be because he made it to 99. So what? It's because we all want to live forever so when someone beats the actuary we think it's great. Depends on the guy. My father in law is pushing 90, has all his marbles, is an active audiophile and I enjoy his company. I tell him he shouldn't be in a hurry but his body is starting to fail him and he says he thinks he has lived too long already. I selfishly disagree. In the case of Miller, forgive me, but he lived way too long.

Lyndon

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« Reply #3 on: 2 Aug 2010, 09:21 pm »
CSI said:
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I think he was all of that but also totally sincere.
Yeah, sincere in a cutthroat way.
There are a lot of retired musicians from the Columbia '50's "house" that would dispute that claim with you, CSI.  Word was, he was ruthless with people.  But that is why the Columbia exec's hired him.  I just got back from my 92 year old uncle in the Black Hills.
He used to love music, but his hearing is really starting to fail him.  He is lucky to be in the care of his son.

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« Reply #4 on: 2 Aug 2010, 09:34 pm »
Wow!
 :o
What a totally different set of thoughts than I expected in here.

I remember his sing-a-long show when I was a kid, and my grandparents and folks singing along teaching me old songs for them.

BUT, here's a story my girlfriend in college used to tell on him.  Allegedly true.

She was for a while a laison between some acts at the Mississippi River Festival that was a great mix of rock and classical that played in the 60's and 70's at the college we went to.
Word was that she got ol' Mitch Miller in a suite in ST. Louis, and some time later a newleywed couple arrived for their honeymoon.  Someone was in the wrong room, but they entered to find Mitch Miller sitting naked smoking a joint.

The image, priceless. :lol:

I guess he'll organize a sing-a-long in hell now. :wink:

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« Reply #5 on: 2 Aug 2010, 09:35 pm »
"Yeah, sincere in a cutthroat way.
There are a lot of retired musicians from the Columbia '50's "house" that would dispute that claim with you, CSI.  Word was, he was ruthless with people.  But that is why the Columbia exec's hired him.  I just got back from my 92 year old uncle in the Black Hills.
He used to love music, but his hearing is really starting to fail him.  He is lucky to be in the care of his son."

 I don't think we really disagree. He was a ruthless jerk who would happily jettison a great artist for a hack if he thought it would turn a buck. My point was that I don't think he really knew art from garbage. He just knew what he thought would make the most money. I could be wrong. Maybe he did know the difference, in which case he was an even bigger monster than I remembered. In either case, good riddance. My best wishes to your uncle. God bless the old folks, particularly those who love good music. You know they got more out of life on that account alone than lots of others have.

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« Reply #6 on: 2 Aug 2010, 11:25 pm »
My father preferred the rougher, edgier, Lawrence Welk.
 :lol:


I have to admit my dad had an affinity for both Welk and Miller.
Course they were not my fav's growing up.  Still their was a fair # of artist he would play that I still listen too today.  Ray Charles, Harry Belafonte, particularly the Carnegie Hall session of which I must have about 1/2 doz versions.  Do wish Sony would allow that to be remastered correctly as the SACD is disappointing, IMHO anyway.

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Re: Mitch Miller passes on at 99
« Reply #7 on: 2 Aug 2010, 11:31 pm »
"Sing Along With Mitch" brings back a lot of memories; mostly bad!

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« Reply #8 on: 2 Aug 2010, 11:32 pm »
Some of the comments here are in extremely poor taste.  Someone passed away, and if you can't say anything nice then perhaps you shouldn't say anything at all.

--Jerome

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Re: Mitch Miller passes on at 99
« Reply #9 on: 2 Aug 2010, 11:46 pm »
Sorry, Jerome. I understand where you are coming from, but I just don't agree.
Hope you are enjoying those speakers, Jerome. I'm jealous!

He had a very good life, but I'm speaking about his actions as a mover and a shaker in popular music in the 50's.  Columbia had an amazing collection of artists and he personally jettisoned some very good careers. 
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Maybe he did know the difference, in which case he was an even bigger monster than I remembered.
Oh, he was very smart, and knew music.  He knew what he was doing.
On the other side of the coin, Ahmet Ertegun and Lenny Waronker, were people who nurtured and developed artists for their labels.

I'm currently reading:
'Fortune's Fool, Edgar Bronfman Jr., Warner Music, and an industry crisis'.
Fascinating reading as Bronfman is trying to salvage the company, and create a model
for the future.

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« Reply #10 on: 3 Aug 2010, 12:03 am »
Some of the comments here are in extremely poor taste.  Someone passed away, and if you can't say anything nice then perhaps you shouldn't say anything at all.

--Jerome

You are absolutely correct Jerome and I apologize and retract those of my remarks that disrespected Mitch Miller. I've just always had a burr under my saddle about people who seem to exploit fine musicians for a buck but that is no excuse. My grandmother always told me not to bad mouth the departed and she was right. Sorry if I offended anyone. And, now that I think of it, the sing-along stuff was rather a lot of fun from a more innocent time. Miller's work will stand on it's own for good or ill and we should be happy we had the likes of Ertegun and John Hammond in high places to discover and nurture talent. (For anyone who is reading this who doesn't know who John Hammond is he was the man who discovered and promoted both Bob Dylan and Billy Holiday).

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« Reply #12 on: 3 Aug 2010, 02:10 am »
I really miss all those TV variety shows.  I don't watch much TV now.  But besides his show there were tons of others of slightly different flavors.  I also find myself liking older TV series and appreciating them more.

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« Reply #13 on: 3 Aug 2010, 02:14 am »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karaoke#1960s:_Development_of_audio-visual-recording_devices

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From 1961–1966, the American TV network NBC carried a karaoke-like series, Sing Along with Mitch, featuring host Mitch Miller and a chorus with the lyrics to their songs superimposed near the bottom of the TV screen for home audience participation.[2]  The primary difference between Karaoke and sing-along songs is the absence of the lead vocalist. This renders most forms of sing-along songs as footnotes to Karaoke rather than precursors.

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Re: Mitch Miller passes on at 99
« Reply #14 on: 3 Aug 2010, 02:24 am »
Mitch Miller took part in one of the greatest musical events that was ever recorded. The first Charlie Parker with strings session, held in New York city for Mercury/Clef November 30 1949.He played the oboe interlude on "Just Friends".The Parker solo on this recording is a profound balance of beauty and emotion.Passionate,delicate and intricate and  born of a fiery imagination and originality.It saddens me to think there are many that have not heard this,but am hopeful that some will seek it out.

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« Reply #15 on: 3 Aug 2010, 02:29 am »
Mitch Miller took part in one of the greatest musical events that was ever recorded. The first Charlie Parker with strings session, held in New York city for Mercury/Clef November 30 1949.He played the oboe interlude on "Just Friends".The Parker solo on this recording is a profound balance of beauty and emotion.Passionate,delicate and intricate and  born of a fiery imagination and originality.It saddens me to think there are many that have not heard this,but am hopeful that some will seek it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbG8xXJI_7Q

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Re: Mitch Miller passes on at 99
« Reply #16 on: 3 Aug 2010, 02:55 am »
I've known and loved this music forever but never realized that Miller played the Oboe break. Thanks for that.