HT Bypass for AVA preamplifiers?

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Re: HT Bypass for AVA preamplifiers?
« Reply #20 on: 13 Jul 2010, 03:24 am »
I don't own any AVA products, yet, but I've been considering them (to go with my SongTower's). One feature I would like is HT-bypass, but that isn't quite enough. I would also like a Subwoofer "pass through", if you will. The issue is that my subwoofer only has one set of inputs, currently, I have my receiver connected to it. If I added a pre-amp to the mix, I could use the second set of outputs for my subwoofer, but then I have no LFE from my receiver.. I could switch cables around, but this would be a pain (and not wife approved).

I don't know how big of a "demand" this will be, so perhaps it would just be a better idea for me to build an RCA selector switch to switch between the second set of outputs on a pre-amp and the LFE channel of my receiver.

Just a thought.

I am on board with you 100%.  If AVA offered a preamp with HT bypass (like in option number 2) and a subwoofer output and passthrough (bypass), I'd sell my Parasound 2100 right now and buy the AVA.  I've always wanted one of Frank's premaps, but the missing features listed above are the only things that held me back. 

Thing is, though, hardly anyone offers HT bypass AND a subwoofer output + bypass.  In fact, isn't Parasound the only ones who do?

Nuance

Re: HT Bypass for AVA preamplifiers?
« Reply #21 on: 13 Jul 2010, 03:26 am »
OK, we are building an Insight+ SL preamp for adydula with the lowest cost HT option, a simple back panel mounted switch described above.

We will be interested in his reports herein as to how well that works for him.

Best regards,

Frank Van Alstine

Too cool!  Did you also implement the subwoofer highpass and bypass he had mentioned?  If so, put me on the pre-order list. :D

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Re: HT Bypass for AVA preamplifiers?
« Reply #22 on: 13 Jul 2010, 12:47 pm »
I am on board with you 100%.  If AVA offered a preamp with HT bypass (like in option number 2) and a subwoofer output and passthrough (bypass), I'd sell my Parasound 2100 right now and buy the AVA.  I've always wanted one of Frank's premaps, but the missing features listed above are the only things that held me back. 

Thing is, though, hardly anyone offers HT bypass AND a subwoofer output + bypass.  In fact, isn't Parasound the only ones who do?

There is actually one other manufacturer that I know also implements HT-bypass with subwoofer in/out. I'll PM you as I don't really know the policy about posting competitor's products in this circle (and I'd rather err on the side of caution).

Nuance

Re: HT Bypass for AVA preamplifiers?
« Reply #23 on: 13 Jul 2010, 05:05 pm »
Thank you Mr_Superstar.  I received your PM.

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Re: HT Bypass for AVA preamplifiers?
« Reply #24 on: 19 Jul 2010, 05:09 pm »
According to Frank my Ultravalve and Insight SL + with HT Bypass switch should ship out tomorrow and hope to have some comments early next week!

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Alex

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Re: HT Bypass for AVA preamplifiers?
« Reply #25 on: 20 Jul 2010, 03:37 am »
According to Frank my Ultravalve and Insight SL + with HT Bypass switch should ship out tomorrow and hope to have some comments early next week!

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Alex

Awesome!  I think you will be VERY happy.  I love my Ultravalve. :D

trebejo

Re: HT Bypass for AVA preamplifiers?
« Reply #26 on: 21 Jul 2010, 01:52 am »
I am on board with you 100%.  If AVA offered a preamp with HT bypass (like in option number 2) and a subwoofer output and passthrough (bypass), I'd sell my Parasound 2100 right now and buy the AVA.  I've always wanted one of Frank's premaps, but the missing features listed above are the only things that held me back. 

<sigh> Tell me about it... a little while ago I was all set on getting a subwoofer and crossing over sharply at 80 hz. High and low pass filters at 24 db/octave slopes (or 48 db), options for shaping and gain for each, etc.  :icon_twisted:

But... how to do that and to follow the principle of "don't screw things up"? I tried to go there, but Frank would not go there with me.

If you go to all the trouble of putting tubes on your signal path, and eliminating solid-state transistors, then when you do this crossover thing, they might sneak in there... or maybe you will get a passive crossover, which will lead to the usual problems with adding resistors and capacitors to the good ol' signal that you had become accustomed to.

So it seems that we are asking for more or less the impo$$ible, a crossover that does not muck up what Frank has been working on cleaning up for all these years.

Another holy grail here would be a device that takes in a digital signal and performs a perfect crossover service using some math (i.e. no conversion to analog). Then you could not only biamp, you could biDAC.  :drool: It is theoretically possible to do so (I think that Gödel proved this as a lemma to one of his big theorems), but as to who has actually done it, the problem is getting those that claim to do so to demonstrate that they are not just marketing BS. There is a famou$$$ preamp that claims to do this very thing, but none of my emails to its manufacturers asking to explain anything about what they are doing has ever received a useful reply. In general, the party line is that such knowledge is what gives them an edge in the market, which of course does not differ from the kind of explanation that a mountebank would give you. Sometimes, Frank will also give such an answer but of course in his case you know he is no mountebank!

Nuance

Re: HT Bypass for AVA preamplifiers?
« Reply #27 on: 21 Jul 2010, 02:47 am »
According to Frank my Ultravalve and Insight SL + with HT Bypass switch should ship out tomorrow and hope to have some comments early next week!

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Alex

That's awesome!  Do keep us posted.

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Re: HT Bypass for AVA preamplifiers?
« Reply #28 on: 21 Jul 2010, 12:41 pm »
UPS says that it will arrive this Friday!! yahoo!.

I will start with just the AVA Preamp to the Ultravalve with the source being my trusty OPPO BD83SE.
Plan on doing this for  a few days. No HT or 805 connection at all.

Then I plan on comparing to the Pre- AMP outs in the Onkyo 805...to see how the pre in the 805 sounds compared to the AVA Preamp.

Then back to a integrated HT test with the swith that Frank installed for me.

All the best
Alex
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