Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport

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Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« on: 10 Jun 2010, 07:05 am »
M2tech Hiface
Ok, First the stock HiFace is an excellent product built with some particular goals in mind that I'm going to guess at here:
  • compactness
  • portability
  • Great sound

The great sound is achieved through the use of, among other things:
  • asynchronous USB
  • low jitter oscillators
Can this good sound be further improved? Yes, by improving the power supply! The stock version uses the 5V computer power via the USB cable & regulates it down to 3 voltages internally.

 
Hiface Power Supplies
The Hiface uses the 5V USB as input & generates 3 different voltages internally to power it’s different on-board chips
  • 5V supply to the SPDIF generating chip
  • 3.3V supply to the USB receiver chip, FPGA chip & clocks
  • 1.8V supply also to the FPGA chip.

The Modified Hiface
Ensuring clean power is important for every area in the Hiface but it is crucial in the clock handling areas.
 
My power supply modifications address these crucial clock handling functions, bypassing the internal 3.3V regulator in order to connect an independent clean external 3.3V supply. A separate 3.3V supply is also provided to the FPGA & USB receiver chips. These modifications significantly improve the sonics of the unit. This is not a subtle change – it is noticeable from the very first note.


Sound Improvements
All the usual clichés apply but they are true here:
The HiFace has better clarity all through the frequency range
bass is amazingly textured & powerful
treble has an airiness to it
finer details are revealed
soundstage is deep & wide with venues & recording ambience being revealed clearly

See Reviews here: http://sites.google.com/site/hifacemods/reviews-1
« Last Edit: 27 Jun 2010, 07:27 am by jkeny »

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Re: Modified Hiface USB transport
« Reply #1 on: 10 Jun 2010, 07:18 am »
A recent user's comments from this forum http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=82128.msg789603#msg789603

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I don’t know about expensive analogue, because I haven’t been exposed to it that much, but for me the modded hiface, the modded USB cable, is almost too good for words. It’s knee-tremblingly good. I woke up this morning thinking about whether I should listen to ABC Classic FM, or my other CDs. I downloaded high res samples, so this lets me listen to high res too. Fabulous price, fabulous sound, for peanuts in the scheme of things, with enough technology to see me through the next 10 years. All on a journeyman’s laptop, with no esoteric settings let alone tweaks.

I didn’t know John from Adam but I took a punt. His work is DIY – you won’t get something as well finished as an iphone.  But I have found him to be a gentleman. The stock hiface is a product with a brilliant concept and execution, and John’s mods and cable takes this up to a stellar maxed out level, which is critical to us anal retentive audiophools.

Before I embarked on this journey, I just wanted something that was at least as good as my previous Wadia6 as a transport. The modded hiface has exceeded that objective magnificently for me, in my set up, and for my tastes and hearing faculties.

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Re: Modified Hiface USB transport
« Reply #2 on: 10 Jun 2010, 07:20 am »
A fairly comprehensive review here:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f7/review-jkeny-s-modified-hiface-483900
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Contrary to what I am used to, I have made very few musical examples simply because it is very dependent on the associated DAC. The modified Hiface is a very transparent device. It doesn’t have a sonic signature of its own. As far as I could tell, the overall sonic signature will depend more on the associated equipment and the recording itself than on the modified Hiface itself. For more details about musical examples, I invite you to read my review of the DAC19DSP for which I used the modified Hiface as a transport. (See here: Review of the Audio-gd DAC19DSP & C2 amp - The ACSS connection). While the modified version that jkeny sent me is still a prototype, I can say that it by far the best converter I have listened to in my system. I was expecting a small improvement (since I considered the stock one being excellent) but I was totally surprised by the level of performance of the modified Hiface. Its effect on the sound was not subtle at all. jkeny described the sound of the modified Hiface as similar to that of expensive analog and I couldn’t agree more: his modified Hiface make the other converters sound broken. Personally, I have already asked jkeny if I could send him my stock Hiface to have a similar mod done to it.

JDUBS

Re: Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« Reply #3 on: 12 Jun 2010, 12:34 am »
jkeny, what's the pricing?  I didn't see it on the website.

Thanks
Jim

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Re: Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« Reply #4 on: 27 Jun 2010, 07:24 am »
jkeny, what's the pricing?  I didn't see it on the website.

Thanks
Jim
Sorry Jim,
I'm not getting notification of posts here & didn't see you post until now - I think you contacted me via the website, didn't you?

Anyway, some more reviews coming in:
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Extract from an email - given permission to reproduce here

I primarily listen to classical music through headphones.  I have balanced HD800's driven by a Headroom ultra desktop stack (I don't know if you're familiar with Headroom's stuff).  Some major things that I have noticed even during my short time with your mod: 1.  The bass extension and texture is amazing.  I can clearly hear the bow strokes on string basses and the attack reminds me of sitting in an excellent concert hall.  2. The soundstaging is bar none the best I've heard.  The width has improved greatly but the depth even moreso.  Placing of the instruments is breathtaking.  3.  Tonality seems spot on.  I am a classically trained violinist and the instrument presentation reminds me of playing in an orchestra. 4. Clarity is greatly improved so that I hear subtle nuances that I did not notice previously.

Overall, this is the best money I've spent on tweaking my system.  I don't know exactly what these batteries are doing, but this mod is a terrific transport and for the price a no-brainer.

roscoeiii

Re: Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« Reply #5 on: 27 Jun 2010, 04:43 pm »
Pricing? I also couldn't find it anywhere on the website.

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Re: Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« Reply #6 on: 27 Jun 2010, 05:04 pm »
Hi Jkeny,

I exchanged emails with John about 2 weeks ago regarding the modified Hiface. I received an immediate response with pricing details. Since then I've tried to contact him to make a purchase but have not received a response. Maybe he's on vacation or under the weather. Has anyone else heard from him lately?

Bob

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Re: Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« Reply #7 on: 27 Jun 2010, 07:40 pm »
Bob,
Last emails I got & replied to were on 15th & 18th June - have you sent some since? Did you not receive them? Check your spam folder

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Re: Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« Reply #8 on: 27 Jun 2010, 07:48 pm »
Industry Ad's are for dealers and manufacturer ad's as stated here. Which one are you jkeny?
 
Cheers,
Robin

roscoeiii

Re: Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« Reply #9 on: 27 Jun 2010, 08:09 pm »
And questions on the price continue to go unanswered.

rwolters

Re: Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« Reply #10 on: 27 Jun 2010, 08:14 pm »
jkeny,

No, I didn't receive your replies. I've checked my spam folder and your replies aren't there either. I've sent you another email and look forward to hearing from you.

Bob

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Re: Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« Reply #11 on: 27 Jun 2010, 08:21 pm »
Industry Ad's are for dealers and manufacturer ad's as stated here. Which one are you jkeny?
 
Cheers,
Robin
Sorry, I find it hard to keep up with the different rules on different forums.

I modify a standard Hiface USB transport which is manufactured by M2Tech - as stated in the first post. So I offer a modification service for people. Does this make me a manufacturer - no, not really, Does this make me a dealer - no. I guess you will have to make up your mind which it is  :)

I will PM you the prices & options roscoeiii

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Re: Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« Reply #12 on: 27 Jun 2010, 10:14 pm »
Sorry, I find it hard to keep up with the different rules on different forums.

I modify a standard Hiface USB transport which is manufactured by M2Tech - as stated in the first post. So I offer a modification service for people. Does this make me a manufacturer - no, not really, Does this make me a dealer - no. I guess you will have to make up your mind which it is  :)

I will PM you the prices & options roscoeiii

Thanks for the clarification, it's nice to know who I'm talking to.  :thumb:
 
Cheers,
Robin

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Re: Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« Reply #13 on: 12 Sep 2010, 08:01 pm »
A Positive Feedback article on USB transports says this about the modified Hiface http://positive-feedback.com/Issue51/usb_converters.htm

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Which leads me to the modification of the M2Tech by sort of gutting it to run partially on batteries (about $330 in US dollars) by one John Kenny who aptly names the converter the JKM2Tech HiFace. What John does is to open up a HiFace, place it in a box and use rechargeable ion batteries to supply power to specific parts. Specifically, the modifications are performed on circuits normally supplied by the internal 3.3V regulator (USB powered). John bypasses the regulator and the required 3.3V is supplied externally from batteries. The USB still supplies power to some of the chips within the unit and the remaining 1.8V regulator. A charge will last you a good day or so but will only charge when the switched off. Oh, well… that is a fair amount of playing time.

Going the battery route clearly alters the sound in terms of becoming warmer and richer, with an overall more organic and 'substantial' sound while still retaining all the positives of the stock M2Tech. You still the 'tinkle' but with more decay and air… the 'tinkle-ness' now sits more 'among the group' as opposed to standing out from the crowd. The Upgraded M2Tech presents music with a greater sense of density and heft… reminds me of other battery-powered devices. Yeah, running batteries does have a house sound as well, but this is still cool. Sweet!

Now what you have is actually an M2Tech HiFace with all the benefits (24/192), but the computer still needs the driver installed meaning that it works just like a stock HiFace, except it is now sitting in a box… a plastic box that now needs a male A to female A USB cable. You might be able to plug it directly to your computer if everything lines-up just right, in my case it doesn't. So a generic USB cable to the rescue. All things considered this is clearly a step-up over that from the stock M2Tech, which suggests that getting better power to the right circuits/parts is just as important as getting the bits from A to B. Yeah, nice indeed and not for a lot more money though it is a simply plastic box so no points for being glitzy and fancy. Big deal so it is not eye-candy, but it does address some of the perceived faults of the stock unit. It is less aggressive and in a way, more organic. Gee, who would have thought that power noise and whatnot would be such an issue? But yeah that is exactly what noise can sound like… a bit more aggressiveness, more perceived resolution via etch caused by there being more grain that is riding along with the music. Take that away and you actually hear more while hearing less: more music and less fatigue and whatever. Of course I am only speculating here that by going the battery route over 100% USB power is removing or mitigating to some degree noise or whatever that is mucking up the sound in terms of the stock unit having more this or that… or less whatever. Which is not to say that the stock M2Tech is not good, yeah, it is quite amazing for what it is and for what it does, but at $150 obviously trade-offs and compromises had to be made… so as good as it is, going with a $140 upgrade in terms of how the device receives power moves the M2Tech up quite a few meaningful notches on the musical scale. Highly recommended.
A more in-depth review from enjoythemusic is due out at the end of the month. This will compare the Stock, modified, Evo Hiface along with the Halide Bridge & Audiophileo

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Re: Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« Reply #14 on: 12 Sep 2010, 08:02 pm »
Here's what he said about the RF attenuators that I recommend with the Hiface

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It is interesting though in how both the Bridge and the M2Tech are quite small and appear to feature similar approaches to passing the bits and yet while sounding so much alike, clearly sound different. Could it be the issue of the Bridge being at the end of a USB cable without the need for a digital cable as opposed to the opposite with the M2Tech? Or is it more an issue of the higher output of the M2Tech that pushes things a wee bit too much? Since the M2Tech has a higher than normal SPDIF signal voltage perhaps what I am hearing here is some artifact caused by this signal? Kenny suggests trying the M2Tech (and his version as well) with some attenuators to reduce this. From John Kenny, "What they do is reduce the SPDIF signal voltage level in the HiFace. The attenuators bring the SPDIF signal down to standard level BUT (this is the important bit), it doubly reduces reflections on the SPDIF cable. These reflections normally give rise to jitter & by reducing them you reduce the jitter on the cable."

Okay… so in goes an attenuator and… yeah less of the glare and presence. More air, more space, more decay, more music and less of the stuff that was getting in the way. Nice and at only $12 a pop an easy fix. Will they work with other devices? Not sure, but next time as I have enough here on my plate already… no seconds just yet.

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Re: Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« Reply #15 on: 29 Oct 2010, 09:04 pm »
The MK2 version of the modified Hiface has been out for a while & is reviewed here http://tirnahifi.org/reviews/?page_id=193. Short Extract: "I can comfortably recommend Johns mods to the HiFace to anyone interested in getting the best sound from their computer-based source. In a word, it will change your perception of PC as source – and at a very reasonable price. Now there’s something you don’t often read!!

John Kenny may be contacted at http://sites.google.com/site/hifacemods/home"

The enjoythemusic review of the MK1 modified Hiface comparing it to the M2tech Evo & to the Halide Bridge is now on-line here http://enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1110/m2tech_hiface_evo_dac.htm
Short Extract: "How much did I like the battery powered hiFace? Very much, enough to buy the review sample."

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Re: Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« Reply #16 on: 16 Oct 2011, 12:09 pm »
New 32/384 DAC now available with USB Hiface input €500 https://sites.google.com/site/hifacemods/home/jkdac32

The JKDAC32 has the following characteristics:
It's a modified I2S Hiface capable of 24/192
integrated with a 32/384 DAC (for those that prefer something other than the sound of an ESS DAC chip)
operates exclusively from 2 internal LiFePo4 (Lithium Nano Phosphate) batteries
completely portable - will run for >8 hours from fully charged batteries
Only USB input - standard USB type B input socket
Only RCA analogue outs
Outputs at standard 2V RMS (line level) for driving preamplifier or amplifier
internal battery charger - requires user supplied 9V or 12V DC supply


MK3 USB-SPDIF transport also available €300 https://sites.google.com/site/hifacemods/home/mk3-hiface
The MK3 SPDIF version has the following characteristics (Size in mm L:120 W:78 H:43):
it is completely off-grid, powered from 2 internal batteries (these will last about 24 hours between charges)
it is portable - no need for external power supply when listening to audio
the SPDIF output stage is now based on the Wolfson WM8804 chip
SPDIF signal is now within spec
it comes in an aluminium enclosure
it now uses a USB type B socket
internal battery charger - requires user supplied 9V or 12V DC supply

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Re: Modified Hiface 24/192 USB transport
« Reply #17 on: 17 Oct 2011, 04:34 pm »
Can you give us an idea of the differences in sound between the JKDAC (ESS9022) and the JKDAC32 (?)?

Thanks,

Ken