Behringer DEQ 2496 Ultra-Curve Pro

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thayerg

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Behringer DEQ 2496 Ultra-Curve Pro
« on: 11 Dec 2003, 10:42 pm »
This device appears to massage the bits in various interesting ways and for a great price. It is, however, the antithesis of minimalist hifi--a deep user interface, potential connection hassles, and less-than-wonderful analog circuitry unless drastically modded.  So any comments on this badboy would be welcome.

Andrikos

Behringer DEQ 2496 Ultra-Curve Pro
« Reply #1 on: 12 Dec 2003, 12:09 am »
I'll be using the Behringer DCX2496 for my Line Array DIY speakers.

http://www.behringer.com/02_products/prodindex.cfm?id=DCX2496&lang=eng

ULTRADRIVE PRO DCX2496  
Ultra High-Precision Digital 24-Bit/96 kHz Loudspeaker Management System  

You can get it on Ebay for $320 + 16S/H. It looks like a sweet-sweet piece of machinery albeit a tad too complicated. It'll probably take months for me to tune it in to the room but I'm sure it'll be worth it. Instead of spending ~$200 for top quality  -power sucking- crossover parts, I might as well use the money to get something ULTRA-flexible and reusable.
Those passive crossover dealies are one-shot-type-of-thing

clyde

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Behringer DEQ 2496 Ultra-Curve Pro
« Reply #2 on: 12 Dec 2003, 02:03 am »
The DEQ2496 is the replacement for the Behringer DSP8024, which I have found to be invaluable for correcting room mode and dipole equalization problems with my otherwise excellent Radia ribbon speakers.  The DEQ2496 has standard digital inputs and outputs so it can operate entirely in the digital domain, eliminating any possibility of problems with its analog performance.  I believe the analog problems that have been reported with Behringer digital equalizers have been entirely due to using low level consumer electronics signals on its analog inputs, causing audible distortion as a result of the reduced signal resolution in the DSP processor.

randytsuch

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« Reply #3 on: 12 Dec 2003, 02:48 am »
Quote from: clyde
The DEQ2496 has standard digital inputs and outputs so it can operate entirely in the digital domain, eliminating any possibility of problems with its analog performance.  


This assumes of course that you have an outboard DAC, and put the 2496 between your transport and DAC.

Thorsten is a big proponent of using the Behringers for room correction, and he claims it does more good than harm, even if used with analogue in's and out's.  Or course, he has also heavily modded it.  I am not sure if those same claims would apply to a stock Behringer.

I would like to use a Behringer for room correction and as an active xover, when they come out with one model that does both (which I hope they do, since I don't see any reason why it can't be done these days).

Randy

thayerg

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Behringer DEQ 2496 Ultra-Curve Pro
« Reply #4 on: 12 Dec 2003, 07:01 am »
Quote from: clyde
I believe the analog problems that have been reported with Behringer digital equalizers have been entirely due to using low level electronics signals on its analog inputs, causing audible distortion as a result of the reduced signal resolution in the DSP processor.


That makes sense. I'd want to keep the signal digital anyway because I like my DAC. Also the output signals are pro level and that would have to be dealt with.

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I would like to use a Behringer for room correction and as an active xover, when they come out with one model that does both (which I hope they do, since I don't see any reason why it can't be done these days).

Randy


I think you may actually want to keep the two functions separate because steep filter slopes require more calculation than gentle ones. Ideally you'd want an active crossover with really steep filters. Which implies lots of dedicated DSP horsepower.

randytsuch

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« Reply #5 on: 12 Dec 2003, 07:35 pm »
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I think you may actually want to keep the two functions separate because steep filter slopes require more calculation than gentle ones. Ideally you'd want an active crossover with really steep filters. Which implies lots of dedicated DSP horsepower.


I am not sure how steep I want the filter slopes.  I know in the analog world, a steeper slope means a bigger phase angle change, until you get to 360, and you are back where you started.  I am not sure if this is the same in digital filters or not.

But, I am thinking of a different plan now.  I may get a behringer digital xover to tune my system, and once I figure out how steep a slope I want, and any other correction factors, I can build an analog filter with op amps, and take the berhinger out.

Of course, this is a long range plan, and this part is probably a year away.

Randy

ABEX

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« Reply #6 on: 12 Dec 2003, 07:41 pm »
I have seen others using the unit with the Panny receivers that are being touted. I am wondering what the purpose or benefit they would have in using it.

Is it good for room correction apps.?

TIA