The digital transport

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jimdgoulding

The digital transport
« on: 15 Aug 2010, 03:18 am »
In The Inner Ear a reviewer talks about the importance of transports to the digital end game.  Says they are VERY important:

http://www.innerearmag.com/reviews/cd/Teac_Esoteric_P01.shtml

I'd like to know if any of you have made discoveries changing transports and your impressions.  I may be in the market.  Been using a mid range Sony DVD player as a transport in combo with a second generation Bel Canto DAC for many moons.  Appreciate your thoughts and experience.  Thanks.

werd

Re: The digital transport
« Reply #1 on: 16 Aug 2010, 08:20 pm »
The transport/dac (source) is what you hear out of the speakers amplified. So if you have a lousy source all that is unmusical/noisey about it just gets amplified. That review puts more emphasis on the transport than the dac and i find that interesting and believable. I would have put the dac a little head of the transport but i think that review is correct.

The whole notion of source playback and its importance seems to fall under the radar on this board. We have active boards dedicated to vinyl and analogue playback. Go there and try to tell them how important the source is. Clearly vinyl is better than cd, nonetheless its a source and yet no one seems to trumpet it when people argue the importance of sources whether digital or vinyl?

I think we just seen an example in Salk/AVA setup that doesnt revel in the magnitude of how important a source can play in reviews and public opinion. It didn't matter how good the amplification or speakers were but the quality of playback dragged that review down at the California audio show.

So yes the quality of the digital transport to the dac is probably comparable to the quality of the tone arm/cartridge is to the TT. If you don't respect the transport it will not matter what amp or speakers its a no go for decent playback....

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Re: The digital transport
« Reply #2 on: 16 Aug 2010, 08:38 pm »
I use a PS3 slim for CD's to a DAC and a SB Duet to DAC...I've tried others, can't remember model numbers or I'd post them-Onkyo, Marantz, Sony BD player and my trusty PS3 does the best job for CD's, the Duet for digital.... :thumb:

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Re: The digital transport
« Reply #3 on: 16 Aug 2010, 09:25 pm »
Hi Jim.

I agree with the notion of the importance of the transport. I made a similar discovery, but it was only after I upgraded my DAC  and listened to it long enough to really understand it.

It's probably the same situation for most of us:  It's way easier to hear differences in DACs than transports, and it makes sense to buy the DAC that sounds right to your ears. After that you start to question what's feeding your DAC, and if you can squeeze more out of it. Well, that was my experience, anyway.

I used to use my HHB Burn-it as my digital transport. I had a decent digital cable connecting it to my Audio Note DAC and all was fine. Then one day, I borrowed an Audio Note CD transport for the weekend to see if I could hear any improvement. I honestly was not expecting too much. I was shocked at just how much low level information I was not hearing with the HHB. Little things like reverb tails on individual instrument tracks, timing cues, and even pitch suddenly became obvious. It sounded more like the master tape and less like a copy of it. I am a big believer now that the transport makes a significant difference. I'm sure that there are a lot of good transports for sale out there too, so I'm not just promoting the one that I tried. In fact, I always have my eye out for the next big advancement in CD playback.

Anyway, after I bought the transport it was also easier for me to hear differences between digital cables. When I used the HHB I couldn't really hear significant differences when swapping digital cables. Now I can, although that doesn't seem to make as much difference as the transport itself.

I also think that right now, a really good CD transport sounds much better than ripping the CD to a computer and playing it back that way. I think we are still learning how to get the music off the disc and it pays to keep your mind open to all possibilities.

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Re: The digital transport
« Reply #4 on: 17 Aug 2010, 09:16 pm »
The whole notion of source playback and its importance seems to fall under the radar on this board.

Sure enough . . . .

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jimdgoulding

Re: The digital transport
« Reply #5 on: 17 Aug 2010, 11:03 pm »
Thanks, fellas.  I know what yer sayin, Werd, and that's pretty much what I would expect, Quiet, and good for you.  My upgrade has to be pretty inexpensive.  I've read the PS3 is a contender for best Blu Ray but don't know how that would relate and would prefer a dedicated CD transport.  Cost is an object, however.  Fudge.   

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Re: The digital transport
« Reply #6 on: 18 Aug 2010, 02:58 am »
I think anything designed around the Phillips CD-Pro2 mechanism would be a good place to start for a quality transport. Still, it won't be cheap and that's probably the deal breaker. If you could find a demo, a close out, or player that is used but not too old, that might work. There are also kits out there based on the CD Pro2, but I don't know enough about them to say if they are worth the effort. Or the cost.

At the PS3 price range, you might want to check out the new universal transport from OPPO : http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-80/  I have no idea how good it sounds but you sure do get a lot for your money. Everyone seems to enjoy their BDP-83 for video.

The high end CD transport is definitely a niche market in a world populated by computer audio and home theater. That's too bad too, because I think there is still more to extract out of our old friend the redbook cd.

Good luck in your search Jim!

werd

Re: The digital transport
« Reply #7 on: 18 Aug 2010, 03:08 am »
Thanks, fellas.  I know what yer sayin, Werd, and that's pretty much what I would expect, Quiet, and good for you.  My upgrade has to be pretty inexpensive.  I've read the PS3 is a contender for best Blu Ray but don't know how that would relate and would prefer a dedicated CD transport.  Cost is an object, however.  Fudge.

Hi Jim

You can find some really nice transports cheap in the UDP area. There are Marantz, and Pioneer UDP's that are really good for cd playback. Not expensive at all used in and around the 300 to 500 dollar range.  For  cd playback in a UDP it needs to have its own redbook laser read. IOW avoid UDP's that algorhythm off the DVD laser.