[schw06]

I have enough hours on the Lorelei's that I decided to work on placement of these guys to maximize their performance. Initially, I used the Cardas method of placement. The speakers lacked soundstage width with this placement but imaged fairly well and had excellent soundstage depth. After moving them back to 2 feet off my front wall I have been slowly moving them backward and forward, wider and narrower, and experimenting with toe in. When I got the speakers 4 feet off the front wall, 9 feet apart on center, with toe-in so that I barely see the speaker insides and ~10 feet from my listening position there has been a significant transformation of these speakers. The soundstage now extend about 18 inches to 2 feet outside the speakers, maintaining good depth(sacrificed a little) with a sound that almost envelops me. I didn't believe I would be able to extract this much from these speakers, but I am absolutely floored! I know everyone's room is different and mine is 17x24x10 but thought I would include proportions away from the side wall in case anyone has the desire to try this placement in their room and see if it enhances their experience with these fantastic speakers.
 Width from side wall (to center of tweeter)= 0.234 x room width
 Distance away from front wall (to center of tweeter)= 0.312 x room width
   If anyone has similar or radically different placement that they found made these speakers sing, let me know.
Dave

[satfrat]

I'm not surprised at all. There's always been a lot of talk on how the Lorelei's need room to breath because of that rear port. I have my main Lorelei's 39" from my front wall and I sit a lot closer than you with only a 7' distance because of the 17' long room and I have another pair of Lorelei's 5' behind me. I've been a Lorelei owner for over 4 years now and they still amaze me everytime I throw an album at them. So how much toe-in did you come up with? Mine come together 14' away, very minimal toe-in. How far off the side walls are you, about 2'? Mine are 18" from the side walls and 7' 8" apart in a 11' wide room. Very simular considering the difference in the size of your rooms with the common theme being the distance the Lorelei's are from the front wall.That's a very important distinction I believe.

Cheers and congrates,
Robin

[loki1957]

Hi, Klaus came to my house on Monday night. He delivered to me a new pair of Lorelei Kismets. I didn't get the new base but I did get the new xover. They are in stunningly beautiful Santos rosewood. Anyway he placed the speakers about 4 1/2 feet off the front wall and 26 inches from the side walls. There is a .5 inch of toe in. After listening for a couple days I moved them forward to 8 1/2 feet( 1/3 of the length of the room. My chair is also 1/3 of the way into the room from the back wall)off the front wall but kept them 26 inches from the side and left the toe in the same. I felt as if I was lacking a bit of depth and air. I have a large room(18x23x10)
So this is how Klaus sets em up.

[klaus@odyssey]

Well,  the setup was a quick 2 minute listening,  and not set in stone,  of course.  But the Lors and the Kismet are so easy to set up,  it's a dream,  and they give you immediate feedback.

[DSK]

...There is a .5 inch of toe in. After listening for a couple days I moved them forward to 8 1/2 feet( 1/3 of the length of the room. My chair is also 1/3 of the way into the room from the back wall)off the front wall but kept them 26 inches from the side and left the toe in the same. I felt as if I was lacking a bit of depth and air. I have a large room(18x23x10)...

Do you mean that you toed them in more to cross at the same point, or that you left them with 0.5 inch toe-in from straight ahead? If the latter then you were now listening much more off-axis and a reduction in high frequency energy, sparkle and air would be expected.

[satfrat]

...There is a .5 inch of toe in. After listening for a couple days I moved them forward to 8 1/2 feet( 1/3 of the length of the room. My chair is also 1/3 of the way into the room from the back wall)off the front wall but kept them 26 inches from the side and left the toe in the same. I felt as if I was lacking a bit of depth and air. I have a large room(18x23x10)...

Do you mean that you toed them in more to cross at the same point, or that you left them with 0.5 inch toe-in from straight ahead? If the latter then you were now listening much more off-axis and a reduction in high frequency energy, sparkle and air would be expected.

I'm sure you meant .5" toe-in from being pointed stright ahead. Whereas some speakers need to be toed-in to meet in front of the listener,, directly at the listeners ears, or slightly outside the listeners head, the Lorelei's imaging is so good that very little toe-in is required, even for close range listening. You may be right about a reduction of high frequency energy but I would suggest that might be a good thing if an expansive sound stage with dead center imaging is what you seek. I use Jim Goulding Woolie Surrounds on my Lorelei tweeters with a minimal toe-in and even with them (and for my taste), I don't lack of treble in my system. But then again, I crave a wide very deep sound stage that extends well behind me and imaging that comes from the front wall, not the speakers themselves. Well worth a little tingle IHMO. aa


Like Klaus said, very easy to setup and tweak for what you're looking for.

Cheers,
Robin

[loki1957]

Yes, 1/2 inch toe in from straight ahead, in other words almost straight ahead.  I have now moved them out into the room to the 1/3rd point measured from the front wall. I feel that I get more depth and a greater sense of air. I have also toed them in so that I can just see the inside face of the speaker from where I sit(heavy toe in). I feel that I get better imaging set up this way.