Voigt Pipes

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Martin

Voigt Pipes
« on: 6 Oct 2003, 03:09 am »
Hi all
 I've been messing around with a DIY speaker design called Voigt Pipes.
Info is pretty easy to come by on the net and there seems to be only a slight
variation from builder to builder in dimensions.
 Nearly all used full range drivers & no xovers...of course.
 Some of the original designs used Lowthers,
another used Fostex 208s, but the most intriguing
was the use of a Radio Shack driver #40-1354A.
In fact I found most of the sites were about the use of this
Radio Shack driver...by the way, they
are a discontinued item, at least they are here in the USA.
 So feeling the urge to build, I built one cabinet and in the process of
finishing the other. I tried a inexpensive fullrange car speaker I already had layin around (how good could these RS drivers really be?)
and a tweeter to boost the highs...sounds like crap.
So my question is...anyone out there have any experience with this
design and what driver might work well.
I know Mal likes his Diatones.
Now keep in mind...I'm interested in cheap.
I'm mainly doing this for the experience...when I get serious & enough money I'll invest in a pair of AKSONICs.
Sorry Hugh...I don't mean to be unfaithfull!
Thanks
Martin

Malcolm Fear

The beloved Diatones
« Reply #1 on: 6 Oct 2003, 10:17 am »
Yep, I do love my Diatones.
Don't feel unfaithful to Hugh. Not everything he does is to everyones liking.
Diatones are expensive and impossible to get.
I saw a thread (about a year ago), on AA regarding full range single cone Pioneer car speakers. They appeared to have aluminium cones.
It may be of interest to you. They were cheap.

andyr

Voigt Pipes
« Reply #2 on: 6 Oct 2003, 11:47 am »
Malcolm, hi there.

I saw your reference to your Diatones and did a Google search ... and ended up at the following URL: http://melhuish.org/audio/diy28.htm

This gave me a bit of a description but I found it a bit complicated (in terms of what they actually are!).

However, I am really interested in learning more about them so could you possibly email me with a more appropriate URL so that I can learn more about them.  Best address for me is direct at: andy.redwood@telstra.com

Thanks,

Andy

andrewbee


Malcolm Fear

Diatone availability
« Reply #4 on: 6 Oct 2003, 06:29 pm »
http://www.audionautes.com/Altriprodotti/Moreproducts.htm
only sell the Diatones as a full system, in enclosures. Very expensive.

http://www.eifl.co.jp/index/export/export2.htm
EIFL have run out of stock. They have one pair of old speakers left (pre the 1996 anniversary model).

http://melhuish.org/audio/diy28.htm
Great site. It is getting away from the point of the Diatone (full range) a bit.
Try
http://melhuish.org/audio/article1.htm
for more on Diatones.

Oz_Audio

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Voigt Pipes
« Reply #5 on: 8 Oct 2003, 10:45 pm »
Martin, have a look at www.t-linespeakers.org

A wealth of cheap designs, I have build a TLb in the projects page.  Sensational, and works well with the 55 AKSA.

Mark

Martin

Voigt Pipes
« Reply #6 on: 9 Oct 2003, 04:04 am »
Thanks Mark
 Yes indeed...some good looking designs there.
But I'm already committed to finishing these, so I'm
looking for an inexpensive full range driver.
 Even if they aren't a step up, they may work well as rear HT speakers.

  By the way...I too made an all wood chassis (metal rear panel)
for my AKSA 100wN. What did you attach your mains ground to?

Thanks again
Martin

Oz_Audio

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Voigt Pipes
« Reply #7 on: 10 Oct 2003, 10:03 pm »
The only metal I have in my 55 is the heat sink and all earths go to star.

As my rack is also timber, I have no shorting problems.

Mark

AKSA

Voigt Pipes
« Reply #8 on: 19 Oct 2003, 09:56 pm »
On the subject of Voigt pipes, Ron has built a couple and been quite impressed.  They have interesting properties.

Most speakers try to play down the box vibrations, and prevent them coming back at the cone rear at higher frequencies.  At very low frequencies the reflex design exploits these reflected waves to enhance bass response, but this is a resonant behaviour and causes the 'one-note bass' we hear so much about.

The Voigt pipe does this too, and gets around the tail-off in bass the transmission line usually suffers.

By using a pipe of particular length closed at one end, and positioning the driver at a point exactly one third down, then waves coming off the back of the speaker travel to the closed end, 1/3 the length, bounce back and reinforce the vibrations coming off the front of the cone.  This way there is proper phase alignment at some specified point, related to the resonance of the driver (a bit lower, actually).  The front wave is then taken down the remaining 2/3 of the pipe, loading it correctly at that frequency, and the result is a strong wavefront from both the speaker, and the vent - both in phase.  In practice, this gives a very transmission line bass 'sound', placing rather than playing bass notes, but without the 4dB/octave rolloff from the resonant peak.  However, no free lunch - the downside is the boxy sound which is very difficult to eliminate.

Cheers,

Hugh

wazza

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« Reply #9 on: 21 Oct 2003, 06:49 pm »
Hi All,
I currently use a TQWp a la Gradds with my 55WN and love the sound,
I will be building the Aksonic soon and will let you know how they compare.
Check out a very good link to them at
http://www.partsexpress.com/projectshowcase/pipes/pipes.html
Regards
Warren

Martin

Voigt Pipes
« Reply #10 on: 23 Oct 2003, 03:11 am »
Thanks all
 Ive just completed the cabinets and have decided to
save them for test projects...they seem like they just
aren't what I'd want to spend serious money on.
 Every article I read on them...the dimensions change.
It'll be fun to try different cheapies on them.
 Anyway, thanks again for all the help.
Martin