Great Inexpensive Phono Stage

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Nels Ferre

Great Inexpensive Phono Stage
« on: 2 Oct 2007, 12:41 am »
Hi All,

One of these days (I've been saying this for more than a year) I'll finish my DIY Hi Fi Supply Cole Vacuum tube phono pre.......

I've lived with the Cambridge Audio Azur 640P for a while and liked it fine.  For the price, it is a really nice unit. I wasn't going to invest in an expensive phono pre, when I've got one of those needing to be completed now.

The Cambridge died, and has been sold to another AC member, who will be fixing it. 

My latest "hold me over unit" is the Pro-Ject Phono Box II.

As Art Dudley says....."Holy Mother of Crap!"  This thing is $119?????   

All I can say so far, a few sides in, is "Wow!"

*Note*  My results may far exceed others....I doubt many users of $119 phono stages are using it with a  $3500 front end.  Still, at or near the money, I think this one may be impossible to beat.

John is the Grado Black, Audio Technica AT440ML pimp (For $90 I agree with the  AT, I disagree on anything Grado, but that's just my opinion.)  I will claim the title of the Pro-Ject Phono Box II Pimp.   :wink:
« Last Edit: 2 Oct 2007, 03:03 pm by Nels Ferré »

TheChairGuy

Re: Great Inexpensive Phono Stage
« Reply #1 on: 2 Oct 2007, 12:35 pm »
Hey Nels!

The Pro-ject stuff is really well-priced.  I don't doubt your $129 wonder sounds good - it has an impressive set of specs for the money.

• Phono MM/MC selection switch located at the rear of the unit

• Metal case shields the electronics from vibrational and
electromagnetic interference

• Small size allows installation close to record player

• Special low-noise ICs used

Optimal channel separation through dual-mono circuitry

• Gold plated RCA connection sockets

• Outboard power supply included

It's gotta' be among the lowest priced phono pre's on the market that offers dual mono circuitry.  That fact alone gives it a real lift on it's price-wise competition (of which there are few to begin with).  I don't think I'd buy any phono stage that wasn't dual mono...it seems particularly important in preserving the innately poor channel separation of vinyl playback.

John / Grado Pimp (having recently dethroned WEEZ)  :)
 


mfsoa

Re: Great Inexpensive Phono Stage
« Reply #2 on: 2 Oct 2007, 01:04 pm »
I'm liking my new AT440MLa (thanks for the tip/coercion guys!) into my ProJect Tube Box SE.

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Re: Great Inexpensive Phono Stage
« Reply #3 on: 2 Oct 2007, 02:02 pm »
I'm liking my new AT440MLa (thanks for the tip/coercion guys!) into my ProJect Tube Box SE.

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blakep

Re: Great Inexpensive Phono Stage
« Reply #4 on: 3 Oct 2007, 12:41 am »
Another one to consider that definitely flies under the radar are the DB Systems units. David Hadaway of DB Systems sells direct; a distinct advantage of this is that he can modify (at time of order, or later) if you need changes to gain, or perhaps want to add a very basic subsonic filter, things like that.

An older review of the MC version which sells for $190 is here:

http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/weaver10.htm

The MM version sells for $165. There is no version that does both MM/MC; it's one or the other. Neither version has any subsonic/rumble filter. I have used both versions, the MC in my own system with a Michell Gyro/Sumiko Premier FT3 and both Ortofon MC 20 Super and Denon 103R, and the MM version in a system I put together for my son using a Pioneer PL 12D with an AT 120E.

If you have ported speakers or a system that is prone to subsonic/rumble issues, Hadaway can very simply modify either stage for about $5-$10 at time of order. I did this with the MM version in use in my son's system; end result is that the stage is down I believe 6 db at 28 Hz which is certainly no problem with my son's system. In my own system I used the KAB rumble filter, which is a much better device, but about $160. Hadaway has his own rumble filter which is also in this price range.

I have no experience with the Project Phono Box II. I did, however, have an original basic Project Phono Box which I bought used (certainly easy to re-sell those at no loss when you buy used!) before acquiring the DB MM version used. There was literally no comparison-the DB Systems made the Project sound like it was playing through 2 or 3 wet blankets and is still in use in my son's system.

I upgraded the DB MC stage in my system to an Aqvox about a year ago and still have that stage (modified to provide 62 db of gain into a 100 ohm load). Another user of that stage (DB MC) felt that it was quite a bit better than the Black Cube which used to receive lots of accolades and sold, I believe, in the $400-500 range.

Neither of these phono stages look like much, and they have poor resale because of low name recognition, but they deliver the goods, particularly when matched with decent ancillary equipment and used with good (not necessarily expensive, but good) cabling.