Please help with phono preamp selection

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schw06

Please help with phono preamp selection
« on: 18 Apr 2008, 08:28 pm »
I am looking for a phono preamp to go along with an Odyssey Candela tube preamp/Odyssey Mono extreme amps and a Technics SL-1210M5GSE TT with an AT-A440ml cartridge. My budget is ~$500. Looking for synergy within the system. Thank you!

TheChairGuy

Re: Please help with phono preamp selection
« Reply #1 on: 20 Apr 2008, 01:32 am »
Hey fellow helpful vinylphools....a brother is crying out for help here  :thumb:

I already added my opinions in a PM he sent to me - I told him to post here to get a range of opinions rather than just mine.

Don't let the man down....chime in opinionated vinylista's.

John  :wink:

Panelman

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Re: Please help with phono preamp selection
« Reply #2 on: 20 Apr 2008, 02:02 am »

Look at the Graham Slee Gram Amp 2 Special Edition. $400 at Music Direct. Very detailed feeding my Benchmark Pre 1. Cartridge is a Dynavector 10x5 on a Ariston QDeck

Sean

Scott F.

Re: Please help with phono preamp selection
« Reply #3 on: 20 Apr 2008, 02:17 am »

Look at the Graham Slee Gram Amp 2 Special Edition. $400 at Music Direct. Very detailed feeding my Benchmark Pre 1. Cartridge is a Dynavector 10x5 on a Ariston QDeck

Sean

I'll second that choice  :thumb:

TONEPUB

Re: Please help with phono preamp selection
« Reply #4 on: 20 Apr 2008, 02:35 am »
Its a little more than your budget, but I really like the Dynavector phono pre...

Am using it with an AT PL120, (1200 clone) and a Zu Denon 103.  Very happy!

mike1964

Re: Please help with phono preamp selection
« Reply #5 on: 20 Apr 2008, 02:48 am »
Its a little more than your budget, but I really like the Dynavector phono pre...

Am using it with an AT PL120, (1200 clone) and a Zu Denon 103.  Very happy!
I second the Dynavector P75 recommendation.   I've used it with the DV 20 XH and XL,
and it is wonderful, well worth the money.  Saw one recently pre-owned on Audiogon
close to your budget price.

TheChairGuy

Re: Please help with phono preamp selection
« Reply #6 on: 20 Apr 2008, 03:30 pm »
I don't like the 'concept' of outboard phono stages.  Tho in reality, the execution of an outboard phono stage may be better than the apparatus may suggest at a quick glance.

Vinyl, already a very complex medium with re-equalization and huge amounts of signal boosting of meager cartridge voltages to render the signal playable, can get very complex when you add an outboard phono stage.

You're asking meager cartridge voltages, hundreds of times less than CD and tuner outputs, to barrel thru another length of interconnects and one or two pair of additional rca junctions (most often of dissimilar metals, but certainly yet another significant break in the transmission line chain).  There are so many places for the cartridge signal to be polluted along the way...why add another potential place for signal degradation?  :scratch:

I don't find tubes to be a 'must have' in a system of all vinyl.....vinyl is quite listenable all solid state.  So, if you're going to relegate your CD/Redbook listening to 2nd class status, you can replace your Odyssey Candela with scores of fine solid state preamp of old that included built-in phono stages...often with MM and MC stages if you'd like to experiment later with low output moving coils.

Tending to be the best solid state preamps for phono are those that are Dual Mono in architecture.  The stereo separation of vinyl is pretty dreadful - dual mono tends to preserve each channel separation (and dynamics if it actually has two power supplies, too, but not likely to be found for less $2K) better as you run it into your mono amps and into your mono speakers. 

2 (preamp) + 2 (amp) + 2 (speakers) = 1 in vinyl playback.

If you still plan on listening to CD and you need to tame the nasties inherent in it, go for a tube preamp.  There are a few good ones out there well in your price range when you replace your Candela - Quicksilver Full Function Preamp, the new preamps from Audio by van Alstine, the Mapletree preamp and others (mostly a few years old as built-in phono stages have become rare with tube preamps of late).

By ladling on an outboard phono stage we are potentially muddying the waters with another component.  As simple and direct transmission line as you can provide the signal from cartridge on will likely pay rich dividends in vinyl playback.

Significant food for thought.....John

Toka

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Re: Please help with phono preamp selection
« Reply #7 on: 20 Apr 2008, 03:58 pm »
The Dynavector is a good choice...so are the Cambridge Audio models.

Wayner

Re: Please help with phono preamp selection
« Reply #8 on: 20 Apr 2008, 06:29 pm »
Have you tried the combo of AT440ML with the Technics or is that your "plan". I had to build a galvanized steel "Faradage shield" to keep the AT from humming. Nice and quite now, but what a battle. As I have stated in other posts, the AT has wonderful sonic qualites, but it's poor magnetic shielding may keep it well away from direct drive and Rega tables.

My Pimpdom is quaking!  :lol:

Wayner

schw06

Re: Please help with phono preamp selection
« Reply #9 on: 20 Apr 2008, 07:30 pm »
Wayner,
   I already have the combination and had no hum issues with a PS Audio or Creek preamp. Sorry to hear you had problems. Thanks to everyone for the input!!!!!

taskerc

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Re: Please help with phono preamp selection
« Reply #10 on: 20 Apr 2008, 09:05 pm »
Hi - I recently completed my Hagerman Cornet2 Phono stage (www.hagtech.com) and I love it.  I have been running a nude Denon DL-103, and have built a Cinemag-based Step Up Transformer (SUT) to get the DL-103 gained up to Cornet input levels.  But, since I am having hum issues with the SUT, I decided to remount my AT440MLa.  All I can say is WOW!  The 440 was Okay before but now really sings through the Cornet2.  So if you have a DIY ambition, consider the Cornet2 - it is a great project and a superb phono stage for the money (about $350 all built).

taskerc