Internal or External Harddrive?

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Internal or External Harddrive?
« on: 6 Feb 2007, 05:14 pm »
I'm using a XBox 360 to stream music from a Media Center PC.  I'm adding a 500GB HD to the PC store my complete music collection.  Since the data is travelling on a network cable to my 360 would having the HD internal in the noisy PC environment effect sound quality?

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Re: Internal or External Harddrive?
« Reply #1 on: 6 Feb 2007, 05:57 pm »
I'm not sure what you're asking... would having the hard drive in a PC affect the streamed output compared to having the data on an external drive?

The results will be identical.  You are passing data in the digital domain, it is unaffected by environmental factors that would be of concern for an analog or mechanical pickup device, such as a laser in a cd player or the stylus of a turntable.

Using an external drive attached to your Xbox or an internal drive in a remote PC will net you the exact same results.

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« Reply #2 on: 6 Feb 2007, 06:48 pm »
Great thanks that is what I was asking.  Sorry I was not totally clear.  I do understand that having an internal HD and internal sound card is perhaps not the best way to get audio from a PC because of the noise and vibration that the HD and sound card would be subjected to.  I just wanted to confirm that it would not be an issue in my case because the audio data is being streamed to an external devise.

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« Reply #3 on: 6 Feb 2007, 07:22 pm »
Great thanks that is what I was asking.  Sorry I was not totally clear.  I do understand that having an internal HD and internal sound card is perhaps not the best way to get audio from a PC because of the noise and vibration that the HD and sound card would be subjected to.  I just wanted to confirm that it would not be an issue in my case because the audio data is being streamed to an external devise.
Operational vibration is a non-issue with hard drives.  Modern hard drives have a near-zero error rate.  As far as case fan vibration affecting a sound card, that's a matter of conjecture.  Most engineers would probably take issue with the idea of tiny levels of vibration causing any detectable variance in audio output.

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« Reply #4 on: 6 Feb 2007, 07:51 pm »
I'm still trying to wrap my head around computer based audio.  My audiofool background consists of audioracks with pillars filled with sand, components sitting on cones made of carbon fibre which in turn sit on damping/isolation platforms, interior component surfaces covered with anti vibration material all in the quest to eliminate vibration from the signal path.

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« Reply #5 on: 7 Feb 2007, 04:16 pm »
Understood!

Remember, analog audio operates in realtime... what the player outputs, the amplifier amplifies, and the speakers play, all simultaneously.

In the purely digital domain, in PCs at least, the transmission of data occurs much faster than the "real time" of the information when used, so it isn't affected by deficits in timing.  This is very different from the time-domain operation of a PCM (pulse code modulation) digital audio signal, which can be significantly affected by the speed and synchronization of the sending and receiving components.

In a PC, data that is stored on the hard drive can be retrieved, transmitted, and processed many orders of magnitude faster than the raw transmission rate of traditional PCM, making it impervious to the deviations in pulse timing known as "jitter".



Ideally, for a home disc transport, one could build an ideal transport/DAC arrangement by utilizing a large PCM cache and pulling audio off of the CD in raw data form to load into cache, and then utilizing a word length detection algorithm to sync the DAC to the PCM stream coming from cache.  Some portable players do this with good effect, I'm not sure why there aren't more home players that take this approach, it seems like it would be relatively simple using a standard high quality PC CD-ROM drive, a small hard drive, and some sort of embedded operating system to handle the I/O and the decoding. 

Hmm, that's an idea... ;)  That's basically what you have in your Squeezebox, only without the integrated drive.  You've done the audio extraction step ahead of time, and are just reproducing the audio from its highly portable stored format.

That's the whole beauty of the digital audio revolution: if you divorce digital music reproduction from the disadvantages of the time domain, then you make the whole system more robust and flexible, and resistant to degradation in reproduced quality.

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Re: Internal or External Harddrive?
« Reply #6 on: 7 Feb 2007, 05:23 pm »
Porter thanks for taking the time to post that explanation.  It makes it much more clear to me.