This an emotional topic: PC hook up to AN Dac1.1xMkII Dac

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Frihed91

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I have just discovered that PC Audio is not located in the 12th circle of hell, as i had been lead to believe.

Question 1.  Does anyone use a PC with a HagUSB device to run an SPDIF cable to an Audion Note AN 1.1x Mk II type Dac (NOT the kits)?

Question 2.  Have you compared what you hear to the AN Dac being driven by an Audio Note Transport?  NOT any transport, but an AN transport.

Question 3.  What SPDIF cable is best for long runs (6-8M)?

Oh...anyone know the price of this unit (Hag USB-SPDIF converter) assembled?

Thank you.

Crimson

Re: This an emotional topic: PC hook up to AN Dac1.1xMkII Dac
« Reply #1 on: 26 Sep 2006, 10:01 am »
Partial answers:

1. I use a Mac which feeds a HagUSB, which in turn feeds a NOS DAC (sorry, not an AN).

2. I've compared this setup against my CEC transport feeding the NOS DAC. I sold my transport.

3. You may be better off running a longer USB cable and a shorter SPDIF cable.

The assembled price of the HagUSB is $130 US and can be purchased from Hagerman's website.

dougigs

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Re: This an emotional topic: PC hook up to AN Dac1.1xMkII Dac
« Reply #2 on: 6 Oct 2006, 08:27 am »
With regard to point three:

If you're using coax cable, your SPDIF cable should always be at least a meter long -- even if the HAG-USB and the DAC are right on top of each other. Short SPDIF cable = higher jitter, potentially, since it's terminated for a 75 ohm constant impedance, and you're not going to meet that cable impedance with a shorter cable.

You should look at using a genuine 75 ohm termination, both on the HAGUSB and on the DAC (and a genuine 75 ohm cable)... for equipment of this quality, it's worth it.

hagtech

Re: This an emotional topic: PC hook up to AN Dac1.1xMkII Dac
« Reply #3 on: 6 Oct 2006, 09:11 pm »
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you're not going to meet that cable impedance with a shorter cable

This comment may be misleading.  The characteristic impedance of a cable is independent of its length.  Short is the same as long.  The differences are in attenuation.  Cables can be made distortionless (something like LG = RC, I forget).  But probably typically are not.  They all have attenuation, so the longer the cable, the more signal you lose.  This is more significant at higher frequencies, hence a rounding of leading edge transients.

The problem with short cables is one of reflections.  If the terminations are imperfect, some of the signal gets reflected back.  Try and follow me here, a fast edge is sent out from driver into cable.  The cable has a propogation rate of around 2ns per foot.  If the risetime if 5ns, then there is enough time for the first part of that edge to reflect back into the cable, reflect back off the driver (assuming imperfect 75 ohm terminations and cabling) and then back to the receiver.  The result is some glitches showing up on the transition itself.  These squigglies can cause timing errors in the receiver.  Now imagine the same thing with a longer cable.  The extra time it takes for the glitch to propogate round trip delays the impact such that it occurs after the transition, not during.  You only have the first incidence to worry about.

Hence, the answer is to try and get really good 75 ohm terminations, connections, and cabling.  Just like dougigs suggested.  The second benefit is to add a little length to the cable.  Don't worry, the drivers can handle a hundred feet no  problem.  Then again, that leads to another issue, that of the HF attenuation...

The HAGDAC itself is designed to be a pretty good 75 ohm source.

jh