Impressions of Sig 30 and modded Olive Symphony

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balu

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Impressions of Sig 30 and modded Olive Symphony
« on: 12 Jul 2006, 04:50 am »
I've had the two for about 4 weeks now and wanted to share some of my impressions.

Before I got these components, my system consisted of:

Unmodded SB2 -> Behringer DEQ2496 -> Benchmark DAC1 -> MF X10V3 -> Bizzy Bee modded Cayin TA-30 -> Gallo Ref 3
with a PS Audio P-300 and an Audio Magic Stealth providing the power conditioning. Power cords and interconnects were an assortment of VH Audio and Magic Power cables. Also thrown in were a Quantum Symphony, a couple of Blue Circle Noisehounds, Herbie's ball-and-cup footers, ERS cloth placed on components or wrapped around PC plugs ...

This system sounded pretty good (to me) but I was getting tired of the endless tweaks/upgrades that I was obsessing over and the unwieldy mess caused by the power conditioners and the fat power cords. More importantly, it was quite clear that I wasn't enjoying the music through this system since my listening sessions would seldom last more than a couple of hours but would always leave me with a headache. I was enjoying my iPod through a car stereo more than this home system.

When Vinnie announced the availability of the Sig 30 and Olive mods, I decided to try the combo with the hope that they will replace everything except the Gallos. Both units arrived on the same day but I decided to replace just the amp initially so that I get a better sense of the changes introduced by each unit. Cold and out-of-the box, the Sig 30 was as impressive as eloquently described earlier by Richard. Within an hour or so, it was clear that this amp was in a different league than any other I had listened to. The imaging, tonal balance, the subtle presentation of details and the sense of rhythm were better than I had ever imagined possible. After a few days of enjoying this setup I decided to swap the Olive in place of the SB2, expecting some additional improvements but quite unprepared for what lay in wait. I ripped a couple of Weather Report albums to the Olive hard drive and hit 'play' only to be shocked by music coming at me in all directions from a HUGE soundstage! It was so overwhelming initially that it felt like my listening room had been wrapped around my head like a pair of giant headphones. After this initial shock, I settled down a bit and started to realize how musical and utterly grain free the Olive was. It was almost Audio Nirvana ... but not quite. The presentation was still a bit "in your face" (due to the Benchmark, I suspect) and I found that I couldn't listen to this setup for more than an hour or two. It was time to get the Benchmark and Behringer out of the loop and try the analog outs of the Olive through the MF X10V3. There were no major surprises this time - the sound was more analog like with a laid back presentation but the music had lost some of its liveliness. For many albums, I had to crank the volume control on the Sig 30 to past 1 O'clock to coax decent listening levels from the Gallos. Based on Vinnie's observation that the output caps on the Olive need some break-in time, I've been listening to this setup for about 4-5 hours every day for the last couple of weeks. With about 80 hrs of use, the Olive is now beginning to sound magical - there is imaging and detail in abundance but just not as overwhelming as it was with the Benchmark. At last, music that I can listen to for hours without getting fatigued or bored! So out went the X10V3 and I am not sure if I can hear a noticeable difference with that change - perhaps a reduction in hash, but whatever it is, I know I am not missing it. So finally, I am off the grid now and have almost everything I had hoped for. Almost ...? Sadly, things aren't perfect yet. While listening to many of my favorite albums is an absolute joy with my current setup, things aren't quite as rosy with albums where the recording level is somewhat low (and I have quite a few of those). The low output of the Olive combined with the low sensitivity of the Gallos result in a somewhat lifeless presentation in such cases. I am hoping that with further break-in this issue may disappear but realize that I may have to examine other alternatives like a preamp (EE MiniMax?) or perhaps the Altmann BYOB DAC. I was also wondering if EAC/FLAC can normalize such albums without affecting the relative amplitudes of the tracks. Does anyone know if something like that can help?

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Re: Impressions of Sig 30 and modded Olive Symphony
« Reply #1 on: 12 Jul 2006, 08:25 pm »
Hello Balu,

it will be my next system, for sure. But I really enjoy my iMod and a Clari-T is in the pipe-line for me by Vinnie. It's a pleasure to go step by step in the wonderful world of battery powered Hifi, then I will postpone a little bit my decision to order.

Thanks for sharing your impressions.

Blissss

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Re: Impressions of Sig 30 and modded Olive Symphony
« Reply #2 on: 12 Jul 2006, 10:31 pm »
balu ,

Looks like you've had some fun the last couple of weeks! :D
I could be wrong but since I've heard exactly what you're describing before. My guess is you need one of two things or both. More power from your amplifier and / or an active gain stage. Basically something with more output than the Olive.I ask Charles about the Attraction Dac performance in this area. I think he told me it output +/- 4 volts. My thinking is... a move to a source which is capable of higher output voltage, will bring you closer to where you want to be. Hope things work out for you.

Good listening

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Re: Impressions of Sig 30 and modded Olive Symphony
« Reply #3 on: 12 Jul 2006, 11:35 pm »
Balu,

Perhaps a NOS dac might find the happy mean between the Benchmark OS dac and the analogue outs.

Raja

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Re: Impressions of Sig 30 and modded Olive Symphony
« Reply #4 on: 13 Jul 2006, 01:24 am »
Hi Balu,

Thanks for sharing your impressions on your two new toys.  It would be interesting to hear more from you in another 4 weeks.   Breaking in two such recently modded new components as an amp and a music server at the same time must be a very interesting and challenging experience.  Your question of the FLAC encoding is intriguing; I would try to rip a couple tracks to WAV and compare with their FLAC counterparts.

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Re: Impressions of Sig 30 and modded Olive Symphony
« Reply #5 on: 13 Jul 2006, 02:47 am »
Hi Balu,

Thanks for posting your initial impressions of the Olive / Sig 30 combo here on the RWA circle!

Quote from: balu
For many albums, I had to crank the volume control on the Sig 30 to past 1 O'clock to coax decent listening levels from the Gallos.

This is perfectly ok.  As long as you can play your music to a loud enough level (even if the DACT attenuator is close to MAX), this is ok.  The output of the modded Olive is ~ 1Vrms, but this can drive the Signature 30 to max output power.

The Olive uses the Black Gate NX-Hi-Q non-polarized caps for the output coupling, and they certainly do take a good 100 to 200 hours to really open up and sound their best.  I use these for my iMod and lots of my customers really like the iMod once they receive it, but then RAVE about how much they love it after those caps burn-in.  The same is true with the Olive.

Also, make sure the line output volume on the modded Olive is set to max if you are going to be using the Sig 30's DACT volume control.

Looks like you found out how good of a transport the modded Olive is, and you might want to later experiment with other external dacs.  I am personally not a fan of the Benchmark, but a good NOS dac will probably made you very happy  :D

I would consider the Altmann battery dac, the Ack dAck (also SLA batter powered), or even the dac on my webpage (which is using the new Scott Nixon dackit board and I believe it outputs 1.8Vrms). 

But before deciding on trying a new dac, I would give the modded analog outputs of the Olive some more time to burn in and show off what they can do.  :wink:

Thanks again for your post!

Vinnie

balu

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Re: Impressions of Sig 30 and modded Olive Symphony
« Reply #6 on: 14 Jul 2006, 03:49 am »
Thanks for all the suggestions. The analog out of the Olive is sounding better by the day, so I intend to persist with this setup for another month or so before I consider another DAC or a preamp. I am intrigued by the Altmann DAC (especially after reading the review on Enjoy The Music) and it looks kind of cool too.

I saw something weird today while listening to some music with a steady beat. The chargers for the units are plugged into a power strip laid on the floor a few feet away from my speakers and when I cranked up the volume, the green lights on the chargers started flickering in sync with the beat. Has anyone seen something like this or know why this could be happening? I wasn't sure if it was safe to continue operating them like that, so I switched off power to the strip but don't want to keep doing that since I may forget switch it back on someday and discharge the batteries completely.


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Re: Impressions of Sig 30 and modded Olive Symphony
« Reply #7 on: 14 Jul 2006, 04:13 am »
I saw something weird today while listening to some music with a steady beat. The chargers for the units are plugged into a power strip laid on the floor a few feet away from my speakers and when I cranked up the volume, the green lights on the chargers started flickering in sync with the beat. Has anyone seen something like this or know why this could be happening? I wasn't sure if it was safe to continue operating them like that, so I switched off power to the strip but don't want to keep doing that since I may forget switch it back on someday and discharge the batteries completely.



Hi Balu,

This is the first that I have heard of this.  I wonder if this is caused by the vibration from the speakers?  :scratch:

I'll see if I can replicate this...