If you head out to sea from SF and go about 2047 nuatical miles on a heading of 251.7 degrees, you will end up in Honolulu. That's where my Besls are. Mine are a pair from a 1999 design, now discontinued I believe. They are the 4.5 series, if memory serves me correctly, with two 8545 Scan Speak mids and a 9300 (or 9500) tweeter per side. They do image well and have a very full midbass (which is why I chose them.) The designer recomemds these not be used with a sub. One thing I know about these for sure, they require GOOD amplification. By good I mean plenty of current and no weaklings need apply. But with powerful amps (I bi-amp mine) Michael Tilson Thomas and his band are more than happy to visit my livinng room. The cellists, & upright bassists are more than present, which is exactly the sound I was looking for when I bought 'em.