I turned my Open Baffles upside down...WOW!!!!!!

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-Richard-

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I turned my Open Baffles upside down...WOW!!!!!!
« on: 3 Feb 2006, 04:54 am »
I had Jim cut the temporary wings on my B200 OB's down to a 3 3/4" width...

 With the drivers in their original position 7" from the top of the baffle I did not
 find the "focusing" effect particularly noticeable...nor did I find the "spatial"
 effect particularly noticeable...these 2 effects so far seemed to be exclusive of
 each other depending on the length of the wings or the absence of wings...

 I have noticed that at least one Japanese SET designer of legendary reputation
 has designed his own version of an OB that has the driver close to the ground...
 and Darrel's link to the early 1950's OB was designed that way as well... sorry
 but I cannot remember the link he gave to the pictures of those interesting early OB's...

 Anyway I turned my OB's upside down this morning and tilted them back
 30 degrees (+ or -) and...WOW!!!!

 Now the B200 drivers are 7" from the floor...so there is a very dramatic
 low frequency reinforcement...the baffles are aimed so that the front wave
 crosses well before the sitting position...

 This is what I hear: the midrange down to the lowest frequencies is fully fleshed out...
 much more dynamic...instrumental detail is strikingly more pronounced...
 voices have an immediacy that is startling...much more palpable...and perhaps this
 is the biggest difference of all...the textures of voices and instruments create
 a "freshness" that makes 1950's recordings...Sarah Vaughn, Billy Holiday,
 Etta James, for example...sound like they were recorded a half hour before
 I played them...there is less transparancy in absolute terms as there was with the
 longer wings...but I do not miss it preferring instead this new
 warmth and immediacy and textural/harmonic richness...

 Deb hears all of this as well...confirming my response...

 Further observations: the spaciousness has returned to the all-over musical
 texture...piano for example seems to have all of its overtones resonating in
 what sounds like a "real" space...Deb commented that she could hear every
 note played...and melodic "lines" that were previously buried in the playing...

 I would also like to mention that the "textural" detail I just mentioned fades as
 one moves further back from my listening position...which is usually 7 feet
 to 8 feet away from the baffles...the baffles are 5 feet apart from each other...

 Also the sound space/stage has now reappeared with a very satisfying
 presence...this was Deb's first observartion when we sat down to listen...

 Given this revelation with the B200's I am now very tempted to put my Silver
 Iris Coaxial drivers in a similar low baffle configuration to start...in my 1970's
 mobile home (which Deb and I are working on to upgrade and redesign)
 the new Hawthorne bass augmenter driver may be too much...bass sound
 resonates to the outside fairly easily in these not-built-for-audio modular homes...

 But placing the Silver Iris near the floor may just be all the bass I need here...
 or that my neighbors could tolerate...

 Tomorrow I will experiment with taking the wing off to see if they are helping
 to focus the musical picture...

 Warm Regards -Richard-

ooheadsoo

I turned my Open Baffles upside down...WOW!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: 3 Feb 2006, 05:03 am »
Richard,

I want to warn you the the reflection coming from the ground may be considerable.  Since you need to walk on that ground, it will be hard to treat the reflections except for a rug or carpet, which you may or may not already have.  I say this because of my experience in ceiling mounting my B200s.  Mine are roughly 2 feet (golden ratio proportion of 3 feet, actually) measuring from the center of each driver from the ceiling angled downwards towards my listening spot and the ceiling reflections are extremely heavy.  So heavy that I can point my head straight up at the ceiling and the vocalist or whatever is in the center is coming from dead on ahead - the ceiling.  Most of the instruments are then splayed out along my ceiling, fading towards the speakers as they get closer to them and the reflection distances get longer.

Of course, there is a sweet spot where your ears will be muddled.  If the reflection lengths are sufficiently long, then your ears will filter them out.  I can do this by backing up my chair to the back of the room.  Unfortunately, I do 95% of my listening at my computer, which happens to be within the sweet spot where the reflections are arriving early enough that my ears can hear the imaging as coming from the ceiling because of the confusion between the direct signal and the reflected signal.

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« Reply #2 on: 3 Feb 2006, 05:18 am »
Hi ooheadsoo,

Thanks for sharing your observations...very interesting indeed...

Are you suggesting that the same effects you notice on your ceiling could
occur on the floor for me...in the sense of the close placement of the drivers
to those highly reflective surfaces?

You are right in assuming I have a pretty good absorbent floor surface...rugs!!!

I am not noticing the particular "reaction" you describe yet...however I will certainly
look to see if I notice it...

Thanks so much for your insights...it sounds like you are very creative in your
work with the OB phenomena...Bravo!!!!

Warm Regards -Richard-

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I turned my Open Baffles upside down...WOW!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: 7 Feb 2006, 03:15 pm »
I've noticed similar results to yours Richard when placing speakers (not open baffle) lower to the ground.  Speakers are always a compromise so do what sounds best to your ears.

In fact, mapleshade recommends the following

"• Almost all small speakers are on stands that are way too high (24" and up)—and, all too often, too flimsy. Want to hear how much bass and warmth your speakers are losing? Try 'em on the floor, tilted back with a wood or metal block under the front. If you're on carpet, lay down a heavy plank or cutting board first. See here for even better sounding solutions. "
http://www.mapleshaderecords.com/audioproducts/freeaudiotips.php