Infinitely Baffled

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Johng316

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« on: 27 Mar 2003, 06:15 am »
OK, anyone here try an Infinite Baffle sub setup?  :?:

I am puzzling over a sub upgrade in my combo HT and listening room, and I'm considering the B4+ from SVS, a pair of dual SVS Ultras, or a pair of loaded VMPS subs.

I've stumbled upon the whole Infinite Baffle Sub idea, and I can actually do this since my garage borders my HT room.

Has anyone here tried this?

I am told by IB guys that the IB subwoofer is better and more detailed than any boxed sub ever could hope to be.  Any truth to that?

Construction seems simple, and it's actually very cost effective compared to in-room subs.  It also removes one of the boxes from the listening space, so implementation is clean.

Weigh in...

John G

PS.  If you have no idea of what I'm talking about here, check out these pics (http://t-3.cc/users/audioworx/page100IB-Gallery.html) and the attached forum and FAQ (http://f20.parsimony.net/forum36475/) about IB subwoofers.

gonefishin

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« Reply #1 on: 10 Sep 2005, 06:55 pm »
bump :o


  I've been wondering the same thing for my two channel set-up.  I don't have room for my large 20Hz horn sub...so I've been looking at the infinite baffle sub option.

   thanks,

 dan

ScottMayo

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« Reply #2 on: 10 Sep 2005, 07:19 pm »
Quote from: Johng316

I've stumbled upon the whole Infinite Baffle Sub idea, and I can actually do this since my garage borders my HT room.


I haven't tried it, but I've looked at it seriously. The theory is excellent: you can use a bunch of drivers and drive them all very gently, which keeps them all in a well behaved, linear range. Enclosure resonance isn't an issue if you have a large enough ("infinite") space behind. Lots of advantages.

There are some down sides, too. If the space behind is too small, it will have a resonance that falls in the range of bass frequencies, and this could play merry hell with bass response. That's generally not a good thing, and you can end up having to treat that room too, to keep big bass peaks and nulls from being a problem. It works fine with an infinite space or even a large irregular attic, but your garage is probably of a size that's going to cause problems. And putting acoustic treatments in a garage might or might not appeal.

Second, anything you play in your HT is going to leak straight into your garage, and vice versa. Especially the bass! Half your bass energy is going to fill your garage, and bass carries a long, long way. You might find your neighbors gets tired of hearing only the bass line to your favorite music. :-)

Third, the usual way to do this is to throw in a number of woofers, not just one. You can get lots of bass that way, but you will also end up with a complex bass pattern, tricky modes and nulls and phase questions, in the room that's hard to control and treat. If you go the multiple driver route, make sure the woofers are arranged symmetrically with respect to your room, and try the speakers out in those approximate positions before you cut drywall.

Last... whether it's one woofer or several, you're making a hole in your wall. If you don't like what you did, you get to patch your wall again ad cut more holes. Whereas with a subwoofer, you just move it to a new part of the room, or send it back. No muss, little fuss.

If you love experimenting and cutting and patching drywall, and want really prodigous bass, it can be a good way to go. I might have given it a shot if my room had allowed it... but given the complexity, I think I'm glad things went otherwise. Boxed subs have plenty of reach and power; even in a *very* large room, I just about never turn mine up past 3/10ths.

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« Reply #3 on: 10 Sep 2005, 08:17 pm »
Using an attic or garage works best in temperate climates.  Don't use in a room with a hinged door or you could blow the driver out with a slam of the door (the air has to try to go somewhere).  Using crawlspaces can create a giant resonant chamber.  Shoot for a volume of at least  4 to 10 times the driver's Vas.  Some in very temperate climates with very low bass applications have mounted them on the outside wall with a small doghouse protective shelter around it.  (Higher frequencies would bother the neighbors.)  Space under a stairwell works.