Exodus 641s are up for sale.

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Kevin P

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Exodus 641s are up for sale.
« on: 21 Jul 2005, 08:31 pm »
The 641s have been officially released.   I have a single pair of finished speaker cabinets (black oak) that are unspoken for.   Assembled cabinets are available but they will be $125 each from this point forward.   Finished cabinets ship from our cabinet maker in Southern California and take 2-3 week lead time.  

We are also including PCBs as standard with all kits.   The crossover is sufficiently complex and the space in the cabinet small.   The crossover PCBs GREATLY simplify building these and they reduce the chance of error when building.  

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« Reply #1 on: 22 Jul 2005, 02:24 am »
So now I guess the question becomes.....

I'm looking to upgrade my front 3 speakers and had originally planned on LCRs x 3. Now with this speaker, and the coming soon 2641, not sure which way to go.

Room is currently 20 x 13 x 8, with a front projection setup along the 20 foot wall, seating 13 feet away opposite that. The room is open to a 120 sq ft kitchen.

Will 2641s/LCRs overpower this room with bass? What about the 2641 vs an LCR. I heard Dan say over on sound illusions that the difference is only aesthetic. For hometheater/multichannel do 3 LCRs have any advantage over two 2641's and an LCR center? What about two 641s and an lcr? Also, front porting is a requirement for me.

Anyway, just looking for some input before I go into speaker building mode in a month or so. These will all be powered by a pioneer 1014.

Congrats on finishing the kit. Also, I'm a big fan of the PCB option on all the kits.

bald

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« Reply #2 on: 22 Jul 2005, 05:01 am »
Whoa... a host of questions.   Some of them tough to answer.  

Let me tell you what I'm using.   I have a room that isn't much differnt from your set-up except I don't have the kitchen attached.   Room dimensions are  11.5" x 19.5" x sloping ceiling to complex to describle.  

The 2641 & the LCR will not be much different in terms of performance.   They use the same driver compliment with just a change in the orientation of the drivers.   Many people make a big deal over the dispersion characteristics of the LCR but it's not an issue when designed properly (the LCR is).   The 2641 will have the advantage of being a nicer form factor for a floor standing design.   The LCR is better suited to horizontal placement and for people who want to put them on stands.   The 2641s are only 12.5" deep with front porting.   They don't need a stand and they are proportionally very nice being tall and slim.  

In my room I'm using three 2641s across the front and a variation of the 641s for the surrounds.     I'm building an acoustically transparent screen (details coming soon) which will have all three speakers (left, center, right) behind the screen.   Since there is no such thing as acoustically transparent (the screen causes about a 1db falloff per octave above 1.5K) I'm going to compensate for it in the crossover design.    I'll publish the details on our site for those who wish to copy the screen design.    The screen with manually adjustable masking is only $100-$120 in materials so it's a cost effective screen with a gain of about 1.0.    

If you are going to use a more traditional screen with speakers beside, below or above the screen the LCR will be necessary due to space constraints.   You could use either the 2641 or the LCR on the left and right.  

I wouldn't worry about overpowering the room.   You have plenty of control with the 1014 with it's EQ functions.

Oh... and I totally agree with you on the PCBs.   They are not an option because I don't want people foolishly trying to save money.    All you have to do is build a couple speakers using point to point and then build the same speaker with the PCBs.   I gaurantee that you will 100% agree with me after this exercise that the PCBs are worth their weight in gold.   People just don't realize it though until after they have had the experience.   I'm acting paternalistically to help my customers.  :-)   The PCBs also make the finished product MUCH more professional looking, ease install issues and greatly help cut down on assembly errors.

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« Reply #3 on: 22 Jul 2005, 06:24 am »
OK. I'll bite... what is the variation on the Kit 641 that you are using?

Al

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« Reply #4 on: 22 Jul 2005, 11:27 am »
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OK. I'll bite... what is the variation on the Kit 641 that you are using?

Al


I believe Kevin has mentioned before that his room is not very wide, and he's using some variation that isnt as deep and can be partially recessed in the wall, IIRC.

Thanks for the answers Kevin, I think at this point I'll be leaning towards the 2641 then, as thinner is better, and easier front porting is better. Are there any plans for aCNC option for the 2641?

Now I just need some free time to build these things.

bald

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« Reply #5 on: 22 Jul 2005, 02:37 pm »
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OK. I'll bite... what is the variation on the Kit 641 that you are using?

Al


As suggested it's not going to be much different in terms of the crossover.    The baffle is going to change and it will vitually be a in-wall design so I have to figure out a way of slot porting it and adjust the crossover for the baffle step.    The tweeter/midrange network probably won't change but I won't know until I build and measure it.

The 2641 is getting some final measurements today and some listening test over the next week or two.

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« Reply #6 on: 22 Jul 2005, 02:49 pm »
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OK. I'll bite... what is the variation on the Kit 641 that you are using?

Al


I believe Kevin has mentioned before that his room is not very wide, and he's using some variation that isnt as deep and can be partially recessed in the wall, IIRC.

Thanks for the answers Kevin, I think at this point I'll be leaning towards the 2641 then, as thinner is better, and easier front porting is better. Are there any plans for aCNC option for the 2641?

Now I just need some free time to build these things.

bald


Down the road we might.   It depends on how much demand there is for the finished baffle/grills and our cash flow situation.   The PCBs will be higher priority.   Right now I'm using the LCR PCBs for the crossover but they are not a perfect match.   I have to add an inductor & resistor to the 2641 network and they are patched onto the board.    

It would be difficult to ship a long baffle.   We might break it up into two sections with a grill over just the midrange/tweeter.    The Extremis & port look cool and I've had some problems with grills and clearance of the Extremis cone under excursion.

BTW:  The port needed to tune the cabinet where we want it is 16" long.   It wouldn't fit in a 12.5" deep cabinet so we found a black ABS 90 degree elbow to allow it to fit.   It took some hillbilly engineering to get it to work but it looks great now that it's installed and works perfect.    We are looking for an elbow that fits the 3" & 2" precision ports better but with the first kits we may assemble them before shipping due to the complexity of making the port correctly.

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« Reply #7 on: 22 Jul 2005, 11:54 pm »


How is this Kevin.
Does this help out for that port issue:mrgreen:

CNC Baffles we will have them once Kevin finishes the designs if he wants us to carry them.
As we have the APEX in CNC baffles these other baffles are a lot shorter than the APEX.

Yes we have them full length.Not a issue package and send them.

And yes they come in 1" MDF with Magnetic grills.

As we have a stock of CNC LCR baffles and grills and same for the kit 61.
These make building them easy.For those purchasing kits from DIY or CSS.

Enjoy

Voodoo Rufus

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« Reply #8 on: 29 Jul 2005, 10:53 pm »
After reading Dan Wiggins' little pdf on inductor crosstalk, is it possible to orient the inductors when assembling them on the PCBs at 90 degree angles to minimize it?

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« Reply #9 on: 29 Jul 2005, 11:48 pm »
You can tip them up easily.   The amount of crosstalk depends upon three variables.  

#1.   The size of the magnetic field.   This is determined by the amount of current going through the inductor and the number of turns (size) of the inductor.   Smaller ones with less current traveling through them cast a smaller magnetic field.

#2.   Distance between inductors:   If you move them apart the magnetic field falls off quickly.   Once you get a couple inches between inductors they effectively don't have measurable crosstalk.

#3.  Orientation of the inductors:   As per Dan's article by rotating the orientation of the magnetic field you can arrange the inductors such that they will not induced a current flow in the other inductor.    This is really useful if you have to locate several inductors on a small PCB.  

With regards to our crossover design.   We seperated it into three boards so that they can be installed with maximum space between boards and hense the inductors.   Doing so vitually eliminates crosstalk between boards due to distance.   You will notice the largest inductor with the highest current is in the woofer network.   When installing the boards you want to make sure that the woofer's inductor is spaced away from the others.    You can turn the others up on end and use hot-glue to hold them but it's not necessary with the smaller inductors and the space we have between them.

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« Reply #10 on: 29 Jul 2005, 11:51 pm »
I see, thanks. Learning more, bit by bit.  :D