Jazz - America's only original art form

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fabaudio

Jazz - America's only original art form
« on: 30 Jun 2005, 01:16 pm »
Jazz has been called by many " America's only original contribution to the arts " quote,unquote.
 
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R_burke

Jazz - America's only original art form
« Reply #1 on: 30 Jun 2005, 02:01 pm »
What about Blues and Rock & Roll, weren't these two types of art conceived in America also?

chadh

Jazz - America's only original art form
« Reply #2 on: 30 Jun 2005, 03:36 pm »
Whenever I hear this sort of quote, I always wonder who originally said it.  Usually I imagine it originated with a (socially) conservative white guy, with European ancestry.  Given that, it's pretty amazing that jazz makes grade of real "art."

Not only jazz, blues and rock-and-roll spring to mind, but hip hop, jazz fusion, funk, bluegrass, gospel and tap spring to mind as quite distinct artistic pursuits that bear an unmistakable American stamp.  In fact, I find it hard to think of a popular musical revelation of the past 75 or 100 years that didn't originate in the US.  BUt then again, I'm not that worldly.

But guess what?  Apart from jazz (increasingly), these musical forms tend not to be studied extensively in conservatories.  This is not surprising, given that they are the "folk" creations of such a young country.  But it makes it difficult to establish validity before the court of entrenched art experts.

And what about cinema?  Love it or hate it, Hollywood has forged new styles of cinematographic art: new genres, new technical processes etc.

And what about literature?  Hasn't American literature done enough to warrant recognition as a different beast from European literature?  Could The Great Gatsby possibly have been written by an Englishman?

If you wander the great art schools and conservatories or Paris, Rome, London and even New York, it's likely that you'd find few references to traditions that are identifiably American.  For some reason, jazz seems to be breaking this mold, at least in the US.  But the curriculums of these schools seems to be a very narrow way of defining "art."

As an aside, something very strange strikes me when I think of the quite amazing range of musical offerings of American heritage.  Jazz, blues, funk, tap, hip hop, gospel and arguably early rock-and-roll (i.e. an overwhelming majority of the inspiration for distinctly American music) has come from the African American community.  And this, despite the fact that African Americans constitute maybe 12% of the population.  I guess the (completely tongue-in-cheek) question becomes "Has white America made any real artistic contributions in the music arena?"

Chad

mattybumpkin

What about country music????
« Reply #3 on: 30 Jun 2005, 04:16 pm »
What about country music??

chadh

Re: What about country music????
« Reply #4 on: 30 Jun 2005, 04:29 pm »
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What about country music??

Of course!  How on earth could I have forgotten country music?

Chad

Scott F.

Re: What about country music????
« Reply #5 on: 30 Jun 2005, 04:54 pm »
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What about country music??


Actually Country music can chase it's roots to Northern Europe. Irish folk music probably had a bigger influence on Blue Grass (and eventually country) than other forms.

Modern country is more a melding of Rock and 'old timie' country. All you have to do is flip on a modern Country station and it almost sounds like the Southern Rock of the 70's (just with a bit more twang).

Theres actually a rapper (Bubba Sparxxx) that blends Rap and Southern Rock. Believe it or not, it's not half bad. Well.....interesting might be a better term.

As for the term 'Art Form', that covers a broad spectrum.

What about the Movies and all it's forms?

Don't forget that the Blues not only spawned Rock but on a parallel path is R&B, Soul, Rap and (gulp) Disco. (did I really type that?)

dwk

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Jazz - America's only original art form
« Reply #6 on: 30 Jun 2005, 05:01 pm »
It's an interesting question, and one that will doubtless engender endless debate.

I think the point about Jazz is that it is a uniquely American musical/art form that does not have a clear antecedent.  Blues and Country (and bluegrass I guess) are distinctly American, but both are evolutionary - blues growing out of the African based songs of the slaves, and Country being an evolution of Folk which came over from at least Great Britain.  Rock n Roll grew out of the Blues for the most part with Dylan et al throwing folk into the pot, and the current modern styles are for the most part the result of relentless cross-pollination from countless styles, some with a decidely American stamp, some global.

In contrast, can it really be said that Jazz is an evolution of anything? (somewhat honest question - I'm not a historical scholar)

So, Chad - I don't think anyone is suggesting that Americans haven't been influential in the evolution of artistic styles or that they haven't created meaningful works, but simply that (musically) Jazz is the one form that appears to have sprung up uniquely.

dwk

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Re: What about country music????
« Reply #7 on: 30 Jun 2005, 05:07 pm »
Ah, Scott beat me to it - we're saying much the same thing.

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What about the Movies and all it's forms?


Good question.  Were movies a true American creation? My take on the early movie movement was that it was rather global, but I don't really know.

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Re: What about country music????
« Reply #8 on: 30 Jun 2005, 05:15 pm »
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Actually Country music can chase it's roots to Northern Europe. Irish folk music probably had a bigger influence on Blue Grass (and eventually country) than other forms.


I think Scottish folks might beg to differ on that.  I highly recommend the Songcatcher -- both the movie and the soundtrack.  
 http://shop.vanguardrecords.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=536

Scott F.

Re: What about country music????
« Reply #9 on: 30 Jun 2005, 05:48 pm »
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I think Scottish folks might beg to differ on that.


True, I should have said the Brittish Isles to be more exact. Obviously the Isles includes both Scotland and Ireland.  :oops:

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Jazz - America's only original art form
« Reply #10 on: 30 Jun 2005, 07:32 pm »
Define "art".

Doug