Bryston SACD Player ??

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Stefan_DR3

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Re: Bryston SACD Player ??
« Reply #40 on: 6 Feb 2025, 05:05 pm »
The reviewer here refers to it as a "single-minded design" (not in a negative way).

https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/bryston-bcd-3-cd-player/

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The timing of this drive’s arrival was auspicious; it coincided with Bryston’s release of a new DAC, the BDA-3, featuring dual 32-bit AKM 4490 DAC chips. The BDA-3 is a highly versatile component, with a vast array of inputs and outputs, plus support for a lengthy catalog of formats and sample rates. The BDA-3 was designed as a modular platform that facilitates hardware updates in the future, as well as allowing sub-systems to be repurposed in other products. Specifically, the DAC section in the BCD-3 is part-for-part identical to that of the BDA-3, with the same dual AKM DACs and balanced analog output circuitry. The difference is that the BCD-3 is programmed to operate only at 44.1kHz. The main circuit board is unique to the BCD-3, and the power supplies are similar.

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Re: Bryston SACD Player ??
« Reply #41 on: 6 Feb 2025, 05:37 pm »
Nope.  It would be a one box CD/SACD player and the AKM 4490 DAC chips used in the BCD3 are entirely capable of running in DSD mode (no conversion to PCM needed), as they are in the BDA3. 

Now that someone has mentioned the optical pickup in the BCD3 is also SACD capable that makes the decision even more curious.  Audiophile companies like to say "the digital path is optimized for a certain task" but often it is just the path of least resistance.  It would be extra effort to implement a dual path properly, it met their design goals as a redbook player and that was it.

The decision can also be ideological.  Redbook CD requires no licensing.  Other formats require a small licensing fee to be paid to another company for every unit produced.  The counter argument is when you add more functionality you broaden the potential customer base and sell more units... hence threads like this are started.

SACD is inherently limited to 64 DSD due to the discs limitation.

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Re: Bryston SACD Player ??
« Reply #42 on: 7 Feb 2025, 06:47 pm »
Paul McGowan of PS Audio, which competes in the same market segment as Bryston, reports that the company in Japan that produces their SACD transport has discontinued the component.  PS Audio has no alternate source.  It means the end of production for their SACD player.  It's my guess that Bryston would face the same problem, should they seriously consider an SACD player.

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Re: Bryston SACD Player ??
« Reply #43 on: 8 Feb 2025, 08:31 am »
Quit talking about yourself. Peace has been made.

No doubt, I am talking about anyone who has ever read one of your posts and is now genuinely dumber for having read it. Whther you realise it or not, your posts are a subject of laughter on this and even other forums. I am still waiting for that PM, by the way. But then, you prefer it this way, don't you? Narcissist needs a crowd not to feel inadequate and it is all about you.

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R. Daneel

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Re: Bryston SACD Player ??
« Reply #44 on: 8 Feb 2025, 08:42 am »
Paul McGowan of PS Audio, which competes in the same market segment as Bryston, reports that the company in Japan that produces their SACD transport has discontinued the component.  PS Audio has no alternate source.  It means the end of production for their SACD player.  It's my guess that Bryston would face the same problem, should they seriously consider an SACD player.

Hi! That's not really true. The PS Audio SACD transport is based on the Denon Advanced-SVH mechanism that is still being made today. The Denon SACD player that I own uses this mechanism as well as the most expensive players from Maranz. In fact, Dehon just introduced a new line of SACD players with the same mechanism.

Don't believe everything that you read or watch. It is more likely that the mechanism has become too expensive for PS Audio to use. The Denon player, by the way, costs half as much as the PS Audio and it is a full-featured SACD player, not just a transport. The point being - this mechanism costs roughtly 300 Euro if purchased from an authorised Denon service centre. The PS Audio transport was 6.000 Euro the last time I checked. A bit greedy, aren't we?

Cheers - Antun

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Re: Bryston SACD Player ??
« Reply #45 on: 8 Feb 2025, 09:52 am »
Don't believe everything that you read or watch.

I've rewatched his video, and he says they've been told that Denon is discontinuing the SACD transport, and that PS Audio has made a final purchase of them.  If I'm not supposed to believe "everything I read or watch," then why should I believe you? 

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Re: Bryston SACD Player ??
« Reply #46 on: 8 Feb 2025, 12:19 pm »
I've rewatched his video, and he says they've been told that Denon is discontinuing the SACD transport, and that PS Audio has made a final purchase of them.  If I'm not supposed to believe "everything I read or watch," then why should I believe you?

That's a valid point and thanks for being direct. You can please some of the people, some of the time.

Have a look at Denon's website. Pay attention to the models like the DCD-2500NE, DCD-3000NE, DCD-A110, DCD-SX11. They all use the aforementioned mechanism and the -3000NE is the latest model, released only a month or so ago. Marantz SA-12SE, SA-10 and the new SACD-10 use the same mechanism. So, that's seven players that use that use that mechanism.

It is up to you whether you want to believe a businessman-primarily, engineer-secondly (if at all), PS Audio owner or the information on the official Denon website, the company who makes not just the mechanism, but also more of PS Audio's SACD transport electronics than they'd like you to know.

Industry, including luxury industry like HIFI, doesn't work like most people think. It is precisely because you are buying a luxury item, some manufacturers feel 'free' to feed you information that saves the day for them. It is up to you to think critically and discriminate or to trust what is being said by those who benefit from those words directly.

Cheers - Antun

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Re: Bryston SACD Player ??
« Reply #47 on: 8 Feb 2025, 01:08 pm »
Hi! That's not really true. The PS Audio SACD transport is based on the Denon Advanced-SVH mechanism that is still being made today. The Denon SACD player that I own uses this mechanism as well as the most expensive players from Maranz. In fact, Dehon just introduced a new line of SACD players with the same mechanism.

Don't believe everything that you read or watch. It is more likely that the mechanism has become too expensive for PS Audio to use. The Denon player, by the way, costs half as much as the PS Audio and it is a full-featured SACD player, not just a transport. The point being - this mechanism costs roughtly 300 Euro if purchased from an authorised Denon service centre. The PS Audio transport was 6.000 Euro the last time I checked. A bit greedy, aren't we?

Cheers - Antun
It make sense to me. When things are made in USA this happen.

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Re: Bryston SACD Player ??
« Reply #48 on: 8 Feb 2025, 06:21 pm »
It make sense to me. When things are made in USA this happen.

I agree. If we can't get slave labor and make excessive profits, we will discontinue a unit as altruism and doing the right thing for the public is not the intent.  :(
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