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Troubadour

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« on: 4 Oct 2021, 07:52 pm »
Hello folks,
I'm new-ish to audio. I purchased a used pair of Omegas late last year after trying the KEF LS50W and failing miserably. I learned the hard way that YouTube reviews are not to be taken literally. I'm happy with the Omegas, but I feel there might be a better fit for my room that I have yet to discover. Looking forward to learning what I can from this group. 

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« Reply #1 on: 4 Oct 2021, 09:16 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: 4 Oct 2021, 09:24 pm »
Greetings & Welcome to AC Troubadour   :thumb:

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« Reply #5 on: 6 Oct 2021, 12:00 pm »
Welcome!

Before you spend too much learn first: Audio basics (including how the room affects sound); music basics/your tastes; join an audio club; explore what's out there (loudspeaker types, tubes/solid state, vinyl/streaming); and audition lots of gear.  If all this seems like too much just buy a modest system and be content.

How did you fail miserably with the LS50W?

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« Reply #6 on: 11 Dec 2021, 05:29 pm »
Welcome!

Before you spend too much learn first: Audio basics (including how the room affects sound); music basics/your tastes; join an audio club; explore what's out there (loudspeaker types, tubes/solid state, vinyl/streaming); and audition lots of gear.  If all this seems like too much just buy a modest system and be content.

How did you fail miserably with the LS50W?
The KEFs were too small for my living room (20+ foot ceilings). In fact, the Omegas may be too small as well, but the sound they produce is much better. According to the reviews I saw online, I was expecting a transformative experience from the KEFs.

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« Reply #7 on: 11 Dec 2021, 05:59 pm »
Welcome to AudioCircle, Troubador!

The smaller speakers problem in large rooms is mostly limited to their bass performance. The size of the woofer cone should be matched to the room volume. If a speaker sounds better when you turn it up loud and thinner when turned down then the woofer is not big enough, and vicey versey if too much bass even at very low level woofer is too big, though this is rarely encountered. Small woofer speakers can sound full and balanced at low volumes when placed in the appropriate sized rooms.

Placing the speakers very close to the front wall will boost the bass at the price of less delayed reflections which create the “soundstage” illusion.

You can add more bass energy to the room with subwoofer, but there is some skill and knowledge required to get seamless volume and phase integration between the speakers. And subs vary dramatically in performance so the $300 model will probably not be good enough for your small but otherwise high performance speakers. SVS, Rhythmik, REL, Paradigm, JL Audio make sealed subs that can keep up with your main speakers and can be tuned to sound great.

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« Reply #8 on: 11 Dec 2021, 07:52 pm »
Welcome to AudioCircle Troubadour

Take reviews with a pinch of salt, only trust your own ears. Best to try out kit in your own room with the rest of your kit, that is the only way to truly know what’s what.

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« Reply #9 on: 12 Dec 2021, 06:18 am »
Welcome to AudioCircle, Troubador!

The smaller speakers problem in large rooms is mostly limited to their bass performance. The size of the woofer cone should be matched to the room volume. If a speaker sounds better when you turn it up loud and thinner when turned down then the woofer is not big enough, and vicey versey if too much bass even at very low level woofer is too big, though this is rarely encountered. Small woofer speakers can sound full and balanced at low volumes when placed in the appropriate sized rooms.

Placing the speakers very close to the front wall will boost the bass at the price of less delayed reflections which create the “soundstage” illusion.

You can add more bass energy to the room with subwoofer, but there is some skill and knowledge required to get seamless volume and phase integration between the speakers. And subs vary dramatically in performance so the $300 model will probably not be good enough for your small but otherwise high performance speakers. SVS, Rhythmik, REL, Paradigm, JL Audio make sealed subs that can keep up with your main speakers and can be tuned to sound great.
Out of curiosity I did buy a small REL Tzero that I paired with the Omegas. The REL completely filled in the mid-bass and sounded wonderful at low volume. For aesthetic reasons the REL got moved under my computer. Although I believe subs are ideal, I don’t think I can have a subwoofer in my system at this time. Later I might end up looking for some efficient floor standing loudspeakers for adding back some of that low end.

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« Reply #10 on: 12 Dec 2021, 06:38 am »
Welcome to AudioCircle Troubadour

Take reviews with a pinch of salt, only trust your own ears. Best to try out kit in your own room with the rest of your kit, that is the only way to truly know what’s what.
Agreed. Last year when I first started watching YouTube and reading reviews, I had no clue there was no such thing as a bad review. I’ve heard several reviewers claim bad products just get ignored and returned. The degree to which the LS50W were praised left me wondering if the pair I got were somehow defective. They sounded good, but not THAT good. Later, the Klipsch RP600M caught my attention mainly for their sensitivity. Luckily I discovered Omega Loudspeakers while lurking on this site, and bought a used pair for similar money to the Klipsch. I can’t speak to the sound of the Klipsch, but the hype definitely scared me off.

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« Reply #11 on: 12 Dec 2021, 12:55 pm »
Loudspeakers should really be properly auditioned before purchase.  If you know the reviewer (have read enough of his reviews to understand his perspective) you might get away without auditioning, but doubtful.  Last spring I drove 3 hours each way to audition a couple of well reviewed active monitors and didn't like either one.  Specifications, especially for loudspeakers, don't tell the whole story.  As richidoo said, match the woofer to the room.  The KEF LS50 types are small and known to be best suited for small rooms, which I avoid due to poor acoustics (laws of physics).

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« Reply #12 on: 12 Dec 2021, 08:54 pm »
Loudspeakers should really be properly auditioned before purchase.  If you know the reviewer (have read enough of his reviews to understand his perspective) you might get away without auditioning, but doubtful.  Last spring I drove 3 hours each way to audition a couple of well reviewed active monitors and didn't like either one.  Specifications, especially for loudspeakers, don't tell the whole story.  As richidoo said, match the woofer to the room.  The KEF LS50 types are small and known to be best suited for small rooms, which I avoid due to poor acoustics (laws of physics).
A lot of the problem is I’m inexperienced and don’t feel confident auditioning anything. The three pair of speakers I’ve owned have all been purchased blind even the ones bought in person. Your idea of joining an audio club is likely the best path those that are serious.

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« Reply #13 on: 12 Dec 2021, 11:34 pm »
BTW I don’t want anyone to think I’m bashing KEF and praising Omega. I actually bought a pair of KEF Eggs for $200 when they were running a promotion a while back. They are my computer speakers and sound wonderful with the REL Tzero. I’m sure my issue with the LS50W has mostly to do with unrealistic expectations. I had never spent that much money on audio and I wasn’t applying common sense to their size and ability.