Alternative to No Rez for "Bravos"

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WannaPhile

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Alternative to No Rez for "Bravos"
« on: 6 Dec 2021, 05:16 pm »
Hi guys

Im totally new to the Rabbit hole of Audio Appreciation.
I havnt even listened to a high end audio set up before, so i dont know what my listening style is yet.

I am about to put together a pair of GR Research diy "Bravo" speakers.
But i am unsure about what to use with lining the enclosures.

They are a 2 way ported speaker made from 3/4" MDF (well 18mm because im not is the US)
If that matters in any way

They recommended lining them with a product called "No Rez"
Unfortunately its far to expensive to import, so it was advised that i go with something like vinyl tiles or butyl rubber dampening mat.

To be clear this is about reducing vibration of the enclosure not about internal resonance/reflects or whatever its called (a complete noob here)
I think thats what i am supposed to be doing anyway.
Although, in thinking about it, i would not have thought that the No Rez did anything for resonance of the enclosure because i was under the impression that it required a certain amount of mass/weight added to the walls for that where the No Rez is just foam.

After doing a bunch of reading online, i am trying to decide between two options.
Butyl rubber sound deadener mat or mass loaded vinyl.
And im leaning more to the MLV unless someone has good reasoning otherwise.

One concern i do have about the MLV, is that with its intended application in vehicles it is advised that you use a Decoupling layer with the MLV because it apparently is more effective when applied with some give to it as opposed to laying it straight against a rigid surface like the sheet metal of a car door ect.
So you lay down a thin layer (1/4") of closed cell foam as the decoupling layer and then lay the MLV on top of that. Would that be necessary with lining a speaker enclosure or would that use case benefit more from it being rigid against the walls of the box?

As a side inquiry, if the No Rez in the set up of these speakers isnt for resonance of
the enclosure itself, would i need to stuff them with something to replicate what ever it was meant to do?
Because even though i dont really know anything about the audio world yet, i do know that every component of the original design of these speaker matters.
From the little that i have learnt so far, i know that Danny from GR Research doesnt do anything to his speaker designs that doesnt matter, so changing one little thing will effect the intended sound of these speakers
And because i have no experience in this field, i wont know if i have messed anything up and i want to start off with these speaker just as they are meant to be so i can adjust and upgrade everything else around the speakers as my taste and appreciation grows knowing that the speaker sound just how they are meant to.

And yes i am aware of the irony of that statement in a post about changing the component of the speakers that i want to stay just as they are meant to be.
But when it costs $200 to ship a $50 product from the US to AUS, some compromises have to be made. Hence the search to find a suitable comparative alternative.

Thanks in advance.
Paul M.

Danny Richie

Re: Alternative to No Rez for "Bravos"
« Reply #1 on: 6 Dec 2021, 05:52 pm »
If we cut the No Rez up into four pieces and put it in the same box as the kit then it just adds 4 pounds and doesn't add that much to the cost of shipping.

E-mail me an address and I'll get you some real shipping quotes.

WannaPhile

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Re: Alternative to No Rez for "Bravos"
« Reply #2 on: 6 Dec 2021, 06:53 pm »
I wish i had given that more considerstion when i purchased my kit, i just saw the price almost double when i added it to my order on your site and figured i will just have to sort out an alternative.

Unfortunately i have now blown my budget piecing together my audio gear and would not be able to even consider the option of buying the No Rez separately until well into the new year and i plan to have these built by the end of next week so i will still have to stick with an alternative option.

But these are meant as my first step into the audio world and i do plan on doing some upgrades later as my ears mature.
Also i do like the idea of build some solid wood enclosure for these drives maybe, so i may look into it sooner than later.

dryan01uk

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Re: Alternative to No Rez for "Bravos"
« Reply #3 on: 6 Dec 2021, 08:18 pm »
No Rez is incredibly convenient and easy to work with.  I’ve lined my various speakers with it and found it very quick and easy to apply. I’d recommend it.

As for performance, I’ve nothing to compare it against, but Before installation the cabinets ‘echoed’ when knocked … after No Rez they sounded like solid blocks of wood.  So different to the commercial cabinets I’ve had previously.

Just my 2C worth.

David

corndog71

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Re: Alternative to No Rez for "Bravos"
« Reply #4 on: 7 Dec 2021, 01:56 am »
No Rez has two parts.  A heavy base layer which reduces resonance in the cabinet walls and the foam layer.  It’s the first part that does most of the work and makes an audible difference.  The effect I noticed was a more focused midrange and clearer sounding vocals.  It might be optional but I find it essential to wring the best sound out of almost any speaker.

Hobbsmeerkat

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Re: Alternative to No Rez for "Bravos"
« Reply #5 on: 7 Dec 2021, 02:02 am »
If you're looking to an DIY alternative, look at self-adhesive heavy vinyl floor tiles or "mass loaded" vinyl tiles. Then use fiberglass insulation to line the walls over the vinyl times and it will have a lot of the same effect without having to worry about additional shipping costs and a lot of that stuff is pretty easy to find online or locally.