Base size on forward-facing OB H-frame subs

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Rock Ball

Base size on forward-facing OB H-frame subs
« on: 9 Apr 2020, 05:06 pm »
I saw this in another thread.

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I just finished a pair of triple forward-facing OB H-frame subs.  I have not installed spikes yet.  I noticed that the center of gravity is affecting how the subs are settling on my carpet, slightly leaning toward the back.  Before I made my decision to build with all forward-facing drivers, I was aware that the purpose of alternating the direction of the subwoofers in the cabinet was to balance the weight of the woofers in the cabinet. 

I like how the base of the cabinet in the picture is extended in the back.  I would not place my amp on it, but I think it would be good for balancing the cabinet weight.  Just a thought.

mlundy57

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Re: Base size on forward-facing OB H-frame subs
« Reply #1 on: 9 Apr 2020, 05:24 pm »
Once you get the spikes on it should set level. I extended the back of the base on those because that's where I put the amp. I don't know what effect it would have on leveling a cabinet on carpet.

Captainhemo

Re: Base size on forward-facing OB H-frame subs
« Reply #2 on: 10 Apr 2020, 04:29 pm »
Sorry, missed this one...as Mike  says above,  once you install the spikes you'll be fine.  Have had no one else  mention this  nor have  we experienced it using spikes

jay

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Re: Base size on forward-facing OB H-frame subs
« Reply #3 on: 10 Apr 2020, 05:15 pm »
My subs are located in my listening room, which is above our garage.  The flooring is particle board and framing (or whatever construction terminology is used), not concrete like our first story flooring.  It is my understanding that the purpose of putting anything under the sub cabinets is to eliminate sound transmission from the sub cabinet into the room structure, but maybe I misunderstand the purpose.

In some videos that I've seen, they said spikes should not be used on my type of floor to prevent transmission of sound.  If I use an absorptive material, like they suggest, then the center of gravity comes into play more than if rigid support like spikes are used.  The carpet and padding are not enough, but it does indicate that the center of gravity is more towards the back.  That's why I found Mike's design interesting, because I thought extending the back of the base would make the weight equal at all four corners.

I'm not worried about my speakers tipping over backwards, but I do think about more weight on the back corners than the front.  If I use rubber disks, or other soft material, maybe it has an effect.  I can easily build a platform to place the sub on that does what I want, so it's not a big deal.  I just thought this would be an interesting discussion to have.

Is an absorptive material what I should use with my floor type?  If so, what would be the best material?  I'm sure there's a hundred ways to do it.

And, because I bought the spike option, I can easily put them on and see how well they work.  This is the fun of the hobby....experimenting with all this.

Early B.

Re: Base size on forward-facing OB H-frame subs
« Reply #4 on: 10 Apr 2020, 05:23 pm »
(...in my Italian voice...) Spike it and forget about it.

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Re: Base size on forward-facing OB H-frame subs
« Reply #5 on: 10 Apr 2020, 05:47 pm »
If spikes don't quite work for you, you can always get some cheap vibration absorption pads that are used for laundry machines off amazon. And just add some more to the back to balance the shifted weight.
Not as elegant as spikes obv, but if it works for you? You're golden!

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Re: Base size on forward-facing OB H-frame subs
« Reply #6 on: 10 Apr 2020, 06:59 pm »
My subs are located in my listening room, which is above our garage.  The flooring is particle board and framing (or whatever construction terminology is used), not concrete like our first story flooring.  It is my understanding that the purpose of putting anything under the sub cabinets is to eliminate sound transmission from the sub cabinet into the room structure, but maybe I misunderstand the purpose.

In some videos that I've seen, they said spikes should not be used on my type of floor to prevent transmission of sound.  If I use an absorptive material, like they suggest, then the center of gravity comes into play more than if rigid support like spikes are used.  The carpet and padding are not enough, but it does indicate that the center of gravity is more towards the back.  That's why I found Mike's design interesting, because I thought extending the back of the base would make the weight equal at all four corners.

I'm not worried about my speakers tipping over backwards, but I do think about more weight on the back corners than the front.  If I use rubber disks, or other soft material, maybe it has an effect.  I can easily build a platform to place the sub on that does what I want, so it's not a big deal.  I just thought this would be an interesting discussion to have.

Is an absorptive material what I should use with my floor type?  If so, what would be the best material?  I'm sure there's a hundred ways to do it.

And, because I bought the spike option, I can easily put them on and see how well they work.  This is the fun of the hobby....experimenting with all this.

You might want to check out and IsoAcoustics sub stand or the GAIA I or II depending on how much your speakers weigh. The limit for the GAIA IIs is 120 pounds.

Rock Ball

Re: Base size on forward-facing OB H-frame subs
« Reply #7 on: 10 Apr 2020, 07:04 pm »
Jay, here's a blast from the past in a different thread...

We've got a set of these under  Don's  NX-Tremes and they seem to be working well.
His speakers  are  on  carpet so a large  2'x2' tile  sits direct on the carpet, then   the  "iso pods", then the  speakers
http://www.isoacoustics.com/isoacoustics-news/isoacoustics-gaia-speaker-isolation-available-in-the-us-and-canada/

I'm sure you  could get  away with the  smaller ones  for the N3Tl's, yo'd have to call  about thread sizing
jay

I would love to screw these into the spike "nuts" on the bottom of the sub, but I don't want to spend that much money.

Captainhemo

Re: Base size on forward-facing OB H-frame subs
« Reply #8 on: 10 Apr 2020, 07:06 pm »
My subs are located in my listening room, which is above our garage.  The flooring is particle board and framing (or whatever construction terminology is used), not concrete like our first story flooring.  It is my understanding that the purpose of putting anything under the sub cabinets is to eliminate sound transmission from the sub cabinet into the room structure, but maybe I misunderstand the purpose.

In some videos that I've seen, they said spikes should not be used on my type of floor to prevent transmission of sound.  If I use an absorptive material, like they suggest, then the center of gravity comes into play more than if rigid support like spikes are used.  The carpet and padding are not enough, but it does indicate that the center of gravity is more towards the back.  That's why I found Mike's design interesting, because I thought extending the back of the base would make the weight equal at all four corners.

I'm not worried about my speakers tipping over backwards, but I do think about more weight on the back corners than the front.  If I use rubber disks, or other soft material, maybe it has an effect.  I can easily build a platform to place the sub on that does what I want, so it's not a big deal.  I just thought this would be an interesting discussion to have.

Is an absorptive material what I should use with my floor type?  If so, what would be the best material?  I'm sure there's a hundred ways to do it.

And, because I bought the spike option, I can easily put them on and see how well they work.  This is the fun of the hobby....experimenting with all this.

I know this is going to  go back to past discussioins and everyone will have their  $.02 but,  the spikes are to   couple the  subs to  the floor, you  want them anchored.   

jay

Rock Ball

Re: Base size on forward-facing OB H-frame subs
« Reply #9 on: 10 Apr 2020, 07:09 pm »
I will install the spikes this weekend.

Captainhemo

Re: Base size on forward-facing OB H-frame subs
« Reply #10 on: 10 Apr 2020, 07:12 pm »
Jay, here's a blast from the past in a different thread...

I would love to screw these into the spike "nuts" on the bottom of the sub, but I don't want to spend that much money.

Those are under the NX-Tremes, not the subs.. same as the tiles... not  under the subs, just spiked into   carpet/substrate under carpet.

jay