My experience with different EL84's

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kentajalli

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My experience with different EL84's
« on: 17 Feb 2015, 03:49 pm »
Just a short post regarding the sound of different EL84's I tried:

Chinese Shuguang    
   To my surprise, these are very good, very tough and the cheapest!
They do need a few hours burning in. About 20hrs would do. Their sound is very good all round, no specific strengths or drawbacks, just sweet. Once I had a mishap in my biasing, and the plates glowed red for about 30 seconds before I noticed it, it did not damage, and the sound was same after it cooled.



Ei Gold (with gold Pins!)     
     Rubbish! and the most expensive!
Sounded nasal, closed in. They were a matched quad ( I verified them), but I could not tolerate the sound. gave them every chance, but eventually I sold them on ebay for good money (they had gold pins after all). The buyer left me a positive feedback, saying they sound awesome in his amp, Well . . .



Russian (Reflector?)   
      Perfectly good, with more bass than the Chinese.
Sounded punchy and clean, and the second cheapest! you can buy them at very reasonable prices, I could live with them, they do not drift either.


Sovtek EL84M   
    I suppose they are good too, but nothing special to justify the extra cost over the cheaper Russians. Infact they are the same. You just pay a little extra for the M on the print, but they are no better sounding.


NOS RFT    
    Clearly the best of the bunch.
Bass is not as powerful as the the Russians, but it is better defined, midrange is clean, specially vocals. The top treble is a little softer, so it does not have the sparkle ( or ear-ache) of the others, but cymbals and bells are clear as a bell!

I am also getting a set of Triotron (Philips) soon, I'll let you know soon as I know.


dminches

Re: My experience with different EL84's
« Reply #1 on: 17 Feb 2015, 05:43 pm »
You should add Sylvania's Black Plate EL84s to your list.

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Re: My experience with different EL84's
« Reply #2 on: 18 Feb 2015, 08:28 pm »
A nice useful post, thanks for taking time to inform us. :thumb:
The ''gold'' in the pins arent real gold, its a industrial alloy they call gold due the golden colour.

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Re: My experience with different EL84's
« Reply #3 on: 18 Feb 2015, 08:34 pm »
For contextual purposes, what amp(s) did you conduct your experiment with?

kentajalli

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Re: My experience with different EL84's
« Reply #4 on: 19 Feb 2015, 03:10 pm »
For contextual purposes, what amp(s) did you conduct your experiment with?
See post http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=132350.msg1404659#msg1404659

In short it is fixed bias pentode amp, with minimum of signal signal capacitors, and the remaining ones chosen for their sonic quality.
Lossless music from PC (classical and contemporary), Teac ud-501 DAC - Sonus Faber Concertino bookshelf speakers.

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